Remarkable. He is without a doubt the best coach in MSU history any sport.
Remarkable. He is without a doubt the best coach in MSU history any sport.
Vic is the best recruiter we have ever had. His teams are loaded with talent. We have a 5-star struggling to get playing time.
Polk is the best coach we have had. He lacked some in recruiting- he never won a title because he was never able to put together a complete pitching staff. Vic will probably win a title because he is a top 5 in the country recruiter
Recruiting does not mean you win a title coaching does you of all people should know that. Howland and Moorhead both had great talent but can't coach worth a damn especially Moorhead.
Vic is a good coach. But being a top 5 recruiter is why we are where we are. He got outcoached vs Notre Dame that cost us a title. Great coaches dont blow a 15 point lead in the title game. He may end up the most successful coach in Starkville- and its no doubt because he is an elite recruiter. We recruit top 5- and we remain top 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Howland is underachieving and Moorhead was awful. Mullen is a better coach than Vic- Mullen overachieved based on talent. Vic is just living up to his recruiting standards
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You’re out of your mind....Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Originally Posted by TXDawg
Larry Coker won back to back NC's- good coach. Why didnt he sustain? Poor recruiter.
Mullen coached above his talent level. Vic coaches to his talent level. We are in no way exceeding our talent level in girls basketball. We are top 5 in the country in talent. We signed the best player in the country. We have a 5-star sitting on the bench. OM best player transferred and struggles for minutes. We have a 5-star sitting out that transferred in to play next season. Vic has one of the best rosters in the country year in and year out. He is right where he is supposed to be
Vic coached above his talent level before he could get a roster full of 5 stars. That 2018 team won games against Baylor and UConn who had more talent. He's developed some 3 stars into All-SEC talent.
That Notre Dame team we lost to had more talent than us and was also a lot bigger than us.
Vic and Polk are 1a and 1b in terms of our all time best coach. I suspect Vic will pass him as far as accomplishments go by the time it's all said and done.
We can debate who's better all night long, but both of these coaches are motivators on top of being good coaches. You can have talent, and you can have X's and O's, but the mark of a great coach is the ability to motivate players to be the best they can be. Both of these coaches have that trait and we're fortunate that they've been a part of our university
This post is fact...nothing c34 can say to dispute!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Vic is recruiting well now. He built this program tho with lesser recruits. Not many 4 stars on the 1st Natty runner-up that upset UConn or the next year Natty runners up either. Vic has not coached Natty games well tho, you right about that. Upsetting UConn tho is arguably the biggest upset in MSU history. And the stretch we went thru to get to title game was very stout that 1st year we were runner-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Polk never finished higher than 3rd in Omaha and yes, I know Morgan got hit on the foot with line drive against Texas but still we were the best team there too. After that LSU started dominating SEC baseball.
Mullen ... he's damn good coach but we should've beat Bama twice with him as coach and just flat didn't. Should've won SEC in 2014. So he "choked" too. But you right about him winning with lesser recruited talent. He's about as good a player developer as there is.
I think Vic is up there. And once an MSU team gets to title game ... that's a lot of burden and expectations to be the 1st to possibly win us a Natty. Will admit tho that he should have at least one.
We lost that natty due to coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
At Madison Hayes Game tonight , during presentation of her McDonalds AA framed Jersey, the announcer said MSU currently ranked 6th.... and I saw Vic swing an arm behind his back with 5 fingers, and held it back there so the announcer would correct himself. Heck yeah ! Get it right, and Vic going to tell you.
I agree, but Notre Dame had more talent than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
ND lost about four players to season ending injuries that year, and we were dominating them. We flat-out choked the game away, and it amazes me that some are making excuses for it. I love Vic, and he's easily one of the best recruiters/coaches to ever coach any sport at MSU, but he blew the title that year. What really sux is knowing that there's no guarantee we'll ever get another shot at a national title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skydawg1
Holloway up the middle says hi. As does Maine and all the late season games where he quit coaching. I agree with you a lot but you have to remember Vic had this team good before he had the top recruits in play. This is just a terrible take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
1. VicQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
2. Polk
3. Mullen
Vic built a program that had no foundation. Multiple natty appearances. This year regardless of talent, is young, and doing way better than most predicted.
Polk history is well recorded built it and almost destroyed it. But he did leave a blueprint to continue MSU baseball standards. And Mississippi and the South is stocked with talent with MSU as top 5 in their list. Similar to Bama in football
Mullen to over a program not used to winning consistently. He won the games he was supposed to and disappeared every time he played Bama, even when we had a better than good chance of competing or winning. He played not to get blower out. And when he had a good season, he was job hunting. As far as coaching above talent... How much of that was recruiting sites undervalued MS kids or just because they Chose MSU? Maybe was just better at evaluating talent than 24\7. With that said he left our program better than he found it.
And NC State lost to Louisville last night. So if we win Sunday at UK, there is a chance we could move to #4 next week. I know the number of quality teams in the Women's game is far less than the Men's, but to think we have the potential to end up 1 or 2 seed this year after losing 4 of 5 starters is freaking amazing to me. We finished the Texas A&M game with two freshman and three sophomores on the floor. Think about that. Do you think Vic has a shot at Coach of the Year again? It will probably go to Staley but Vic should get strong consideration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
That 4th vs A&M was unbelievable. I don't think anybody could of beat us in that final Q. And what's exciting about that is it was the last Q the team's played. Who knows?
LOL on the idea that we have as much talent as anyone.
South Carolina has more talent than we do. UConn has more talent. Baylor has more talent. Notre Dame has more talent. Louisville has more talent. Stanford has more talent. Maryland has more talent. You could make a strong case that Tennessee and Texas have more talent. Oregon and UCLA are now recruiting as well as anyone. Arizona and Ohio State recruit at least at the level we do. What we have is a better coach than just about all of them, with the possible exception of UConn.
Schaefer does recruit well, and it is getting stronger. He is finally starting to land some truly elite players with consistency. But there are several programs who only recruit elite players. And our recruiting followed our success, not the other way around.
Regardless of any of that, 'coach' at the college level encompasses it all. And no one has taken less and turned it into more at Mississippi State. Schaefer is the best coach we have ever had in any sport. And I really don't think it's that close.
Babe McCarthy was the best coach we have ever had....Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Hard to argue against McCarthy with 4 SEC championships in 5 years from 1959 and 1963 in a league that included Adolph Rupp. Allyn McKeen must also be given consideration
We've had a few that turned programs around that were/are great at their jobs. I think JWS needs to be on the list as well. I still think a lot of our present day football foundation was built by him.
To difficult for me to rank them though other than I think Vic belongs at the top.
Also to think about; what if we had kept the coaches that went on to win 7 national championships in football after leaving Mississippi State
No, we lost that natty due to officiating and a 3-point prayer...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skydawg1
I agree with most of that, but recruiting is part of being a good coach on the college level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The level of talent Moorhead and Howland have/had relative the blue blood programs is nowhere near the level Vic has. Calling a college coach an elite recruiter is not bashing them it's huge praise considering how important recruiting is to college coaching success.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
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Who besides Darryl Royal?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgman
Yep, 34 do you know how many games Mullen lost and nearly lost by blowing leads? Mullen's record vs top 25? Vic can coach circles around Mullen. Mullen is a good coach, but he ain't no Vic.Quote:
Originally Posted by TXDawg
Yep, we beat UT recently, maybe last year by like 30. We had 0 Mcdonalds AA and UT had like 7-8. Vic can coach. He took two teams with 0 MAA to NC game. Anyone else done that in WBB?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Murray Warmath, 1 natty at Minnesota.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Bernie Bierman with 5 at MinnesotaQuote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
Until Mullen beats Smart or Saban, I can't classify him as a better coach. Vic has at least one win against all the top coaches in Women's Hoops with maybe the exception of the ND coach. And beating Geno's team in '16 is above even beating Saban in football IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Vic didn?t have a single McDonald?s All American until this year. That National Championship team was built with good talent and better development. He is just now starting to get elite talent.
Ben has been to 3 final fours.. saying Ben cant coach shows your ignorance...Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
The 17er can't coach anymore he is a has been...and your ignorance shows now I wasn't talking about the past.
Vic is an elite Women’s basketball coach no doubt..
But it’s not like we are rolling 5 freshman out there
Carter -Soph
Mya - RS soph
Danberry 6th year Sr
Bibby - Jr
Jackson - fr
Wiggins - so
Morris - juco Jr
Espinoza - jr
And the 2 true freshman
That’s far from a young team
Vic is constantly stating this is a young team i tend to believe he knows what the hell he is talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold