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Man, this is a tough one. Hard to not see this guy as our potential Dabo or mainstay coach. It's just terribly risky.
If I'm Cohen, I interview him with the expectation of not hiring him, but leave the door open if he absolutely blows me away. Not sure what else to do.
Interesting video though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp1u0XH8130&t=204s
Judge sounds like an absolute stud & he may very well be the best coach for MSU, but I just wish we had something tangible like stats, scheme, & results from which to evaluate him. It's literally a potential hire that could get Cohen fired in 2 years or give us the best coach we've ever had for 20 years. I have no clue
Here's something to consider. I'm a huge pats fan and love Belichick but the HCs from his coaching tree have had almost zero success. Just something to consider.Not saying judge wouldn't be a stud but he's to risky a hire at this point with zero experience as even an oc or dc. I'm not knocking him at all because he's a fast climber in the nfl ranks but as I said Belichick coaching tree hasn't met with much success
Watched it. Impressive but he needs to stay in the nfl or come to college as a coordinator or a position coach for a while. He doesnt have the college background we need. All the intelligent stuff is nice but so was moorhead. Yes he has the state ties but that Moorhead did not. He still sounds to me based on that description as another cerebral type guy like Moorhead that is probably better suited for the nfl. Croom was also a well respected position coach also with ties to Alabama and bear. Just don?t like the idea of a lifetime pro position coach coming in and being the head guy no matter if he went to state or not. If he didn?t go to state would his name even seriously be mentioned? Ask yourself that.
If he really is a lifer guy here. If this is really his dream job we have plenty of time to get together in the future.
Not worth the risk now imho
I don't disagree with anything you said, but it's important to realize that success is about the individual, not about their profile.Quote:
Originally Posted by trojandawg
What Croom or anyone else has done has absolutely no bearing on what Judge may do.
I agree with this. I think he's our next coach after this hire.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
Ok think about this resume
one year grad assistant for a SEC school
3 years WR coach for a G5 school
2 years WR coach for a very minor p5 school
1 year WR coach for an NFL team.
Would you hire that guy. It's very similar to Joe Judge's resume.
Western Michigan did. It worked out pretty well.
I can't see Cohen taking a risk on Judge because he has zero head coaching experience.
No way we make this hire right now.
If we were hiring Mullen's replacement right now instead of Moorhead's replacement, you could hire a Joe Judge and take that risk.
Can't right now. Risk is too great. He's 37. He's got plenty of time to be our HC.
Fixed it for you...P J Fleck was at Ohio State not an SEC schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by Mobile Bay
If he's a backup plan and we have to go that route, I would get on board with him. But agree....would be risky.
I really don't want another coach named Joe.
Having a scheme is a very overblown quality when looking into hiring a head coach. Joe Moorhead was hired because of his scheme. The Miami Dolphins hired Adam Gase because of his scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The more important quality you need to look for is leadership. Can he command the room? Can he command the message? Can he command the process? Can he command the opportunity? Can he command himself?
Apparently he can based on my limited crash course I just took on the video (thank poster for that).Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
There are tons of NFL coaches with similar amounts of experience that are not going to be enen SMELLING a NFL HC Interview room. There's a reason he is. He's a MSU Grad whose gonna be interviewed for the HC Job for The New York Football Giants. We would be ignorant not to invite him down for a chat.
Yep thinking two names in particular: Charlie Wiest and Romeo Crennell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
I am one who doesn't want Joe Judge this coaching cycle. I just don't think it would work this early in his career but I could be wrong. But don't forget about Nick Saban. Not saying Joe Judge will be the next NickQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
What brought him to MSU originally? I still haven't drawn the connection...
Would he go by Coach Joey or Dr. Judge?
Coaching searches are always funny. There are actually a number of MSU fans talking themselves into Joey Judge, LOL.
I can't imagine anyone is taking it seriously. Next go around? Maybe. Not now though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
What was his connection to MSU to get him here in the first place? Parents don't seem to have any relationship with MSU.
He played under Jackie and Croom and was a GA under Croom. His wife played soccer for us as well. so he is definitely tied to MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by ckDOG
I know that. Well documented. Why did he chose to come to MSU? Not a common story of a PA kid coming to MSU to walk on the football team and study education.Quote:
Originally Posted by redstickdawg
Damn I'm getting old.Quote:
Originally Posted by redstickdawg