For those that know, what was Hud and Mullen's relationship like?
Did Hud think he was a better coach than Mullen?
Anyone have some insight here?
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For those that know, what was Hud and Mullen's relationship like?
Did Hud think he was a better coach than Mullen?
Anyone have some insight here?
I don't know but that's two Alpha Dogs. I'm not surprised they could not co exist. At the time Hud was also a proven head coach so I'm sure he thought he was better that Mullen.
Mullen was demeaning to him and other coaches as well, especially in the early years.
Mullen went through some coaches until he either learned or found coaches he jelled with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
To say they don't care for one another is an understatement
Megan wouldn’t even kiss him on the mouth.
Done. I want him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
It's a wonder she doesn't break face bones with those teeth when she kisses. She's probably a nice lady but those choppers freak me out. It's a wonder she hasn't been hit in the head for the Ivory.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
lol +1 Rep GivenQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Sign him upQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jack Lambert again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Thanks for the laugh.
Didn't Byrne basically hire Hud as OC and that was one of the deals with incoming head coaches? It seems like Mullen was basically told Hud was on his staff and maybe didn't really like the idea of a successful head coach already on his staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Yes. And had Mullen been a JoMo hire Hud was there to take over. Byrne was a sharp one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Hated each other. Hud has always thought/knew he is better than Mullen. He would work his ass off to prove it too if we give him that shot.
Mullen treated him poorly because Byrne hired him. Mullen felt threatened by him. Always felt like his possible successor was working for him.
His is a good coach and he is definitely better than what we have now!!
So Greg Byrne thought he was a good coach?? Hire him now and see if he'll coach Thursday. Hell he already knows the playbook. We can just run what we ran against Auburn.
I'm not sure why he really cared since he didn't plan on staying that long anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Probably also pissed that he took Billy's spot on the staff initially.
I met Mullen and Hud the same year. Spent several hours with them. It was obvious to everyone in my family who the better coach and person was. Hint..... it wasn’t Dan.
I was excited about Mullen. After that day, I knew we had hired the lesser of the two.
If Hud was better than Dan, he’d already be a P5 HC. That’s simply laughable. But he’s at Austin Peay after screwing up and getting fired at ULL. Damn this Hud legend grows by the day. We’ve passed on him twice. Think about that.
I don't know if Hud is better than Dan or even how good Hud is but just because he isn't at a power 5 doesn't mean jack. There are lots of great, great coaches at high school and lower college levels that never get the chance to move up or just like where they are. Same in any line of work. Just because everyone doesn't want to be CEO doesn't mean they are not good at the lower levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Mullen got where he did by riding Urbans coat tails and then winding up at UF as coord. MSU made Dan by giving him a shot and letting him learn on the fly.
Gonzales was not leaving with Mullen, don?t know where you got that. He stayed at Florida until he got the WR coach/passing game coord at LSU. Stay there 2 years the. Became Co-OC at Illinois. He was never a part of the plan to come with Mullen. He hoped to get the OC at Florida but that went to Addazio and he left the following year in 2010Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
And we hired him twice. He could?ve stayed and been the next guy in line both times possibly. But he chose to leave, so I?m guessing he knows there?s no HC job here for him. But, boosters got him the jobs here. Maybe those same people hire him. And no, if he was an incredible HC candidate, he?d already be somewhere big. Fact is, he?s blown that too by hiring a known cheat. So, he?s back in the small school ranks trying to prove he can handle things right.Quote:
Originally Posted by R2Dawg
You’re about to be sad. Really sad while were averaging 9-10 wins a year. You’ll be a sad MF while the rest of us celebrate winning regardless of who our coach is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Since you loved Dan so much, get ready. Hud will win way more than Danny boy. There ain?t much doubt about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
9-10 wins a year? Boy, I don't know bout that...Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Except for the fact that the biggest reason why Byrne didn't go ahead and hire him as the HC in the first place was because he had no FBS experience at that time. And this also around the time that Raffo didn't get hired in part for the same reason. So, he leaves to get some head coaching experience and did well until they got on probation because of his friend who got caught in the crossfire of the Ole Miss investigation. Meanwhile he gets cleared by the NCAA, comes back to MSU and then goes to Austin Peay where he just led them to their first OVC championship since 1977.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
You can't criticize someone for leaving to better themselves and then wanting to come back as the CEO when that was precisely the reason WHY they left in the first place. Just like Hugh Freeze left Ole Miss as an assistant for Arkansas State to get head coaching experience.
But hey- if we actually hired Dabo Swinney or Nick Saban you would find reasons why they aren't good enough for us either so it would be really nice if you actually threw some names out there instead of bitching about every coach anyone brings up.
I bet we would get back to 8 consistently pretty quickly though. With some 10 win seasons mixed in. And maybe actually get some upward trajectory with our football program.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Ok .. I'll buy all of that. Don't know all those circumstances and I still would be good with him getting the job if that happens. If he doesn't it probably means he burnt some bridges with what you say above. The biggest that sticks out to me tho is him leaving when he could've been in line for the job. The know cheat .. not sure of circumstances there but lots of guys get 2nd chances ... or maybe that was Saunders' 3rd or 4th chance. I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I have always been on board with hiring a coach who wants to be at MSU for the long haul. If a coach is good and they leave after a few years then we just have to restart the process again, and we all know how coaching searches can go....
Seriously. We should pray for 7-8. The SEC aim studying us in a consistent 8-10 win right now. If anyone believes that they gonna be sad. We are lower tier SEC West team. Our goal should be slowly moving up the pecking order. We ain’t got the tv eyes to be above that right now. When we made a slight run in 14 the calls sent us back. No one complains about calls now because they have us in our place. We are at best 4-6 in the West because of talent but mainly because we don’t bring eyes to the tv viewership
The way to get above that is to recruit well. Hud can do that. And then either develop or coach up the talent. I feel like Hud can coach up talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgcap
You're that guy that thinks he has real insight but over values his own information while not believing that people can learn from their mistakes and become better for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
You made your mind up on Hud a long time ago and thus won't let the narrative die. An irrelevant narrative at that.
You don't talk about his coaching ability. Only the fact that he hired a cheater. Do you think he'd do that again? If so, why?
If not, then why does it matter what happened at ULL when he was cleared?
You're really upset that he left for a D1 head coaching job when he was the WR coach, not an OC, a WR coach at MSU?Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
So you expected him to stay here for 9 years under Mullen in hopes that he MAY get an interview?
What a stupid opinion.
That's not what I said you damn idiot. I said I can understand why he might've burned some bridges by doing all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Personally, I don't care about all of that. If the guy can coach, get a good staff and players to follow him, and can recruit and run a program, then I want him.
Anyone that holds anything against Hud because he left a WR position coaching job for a D1 head job is an idiot. If that wasn't you, then you're not an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
I like HUD a great deal. What?s odd is that yes he has a down cycle at ULL his last few years but was about to turn it around 15 was bad then in 16 he went 6-7 and with a young team. In 17 they went 5-7 he was fired mainly due to the NCAA stuff and three losing seasons. In comes Napier and wins with HUD recruits. They are SR laden this year all those guys were signed by HUD.
So in closing I say this I like Napier. But let me ask the board a question is he a good coach or rising in the rank due to his coaching acumen or is it because s the players he inherited from Mark Hudspeth?
That?s not CP at all. He is just stupid and wants to argue. He argues every coach that is brought up sucks while never once attaching himself to a single one. He does not have the courage to say his choice because he does not have the backbone to handle any possible ridiculeQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You would have thought Hud left Lafayette by his own choice reading these boards. He would basically be like if Ole Miss hired Jay Hopson. Solid coach but low ceiling.
Why a low ceiling?Quote:
Originally Posted by CovertDawg