6-1 right now, could have easily beaten UCF a year ago, 32-15 at Memphis, UCA grad, recruits our area already. Makes too much sense. Get it done Cohen.
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6-1 right now, could have easily beaten UCF a year ago, 32-15 at Memphis, UCA grad, recruits our area already. Makes too much sense. Get it done Cohen.
Cohen isn't going to hire a guy with many rumored skeletons in his closet after his Cannizzaro hire. I agree that Norvell would be a good hire, but it ain't happening with Cohen. Many other AD's won't either, which is probably why he's still at Memphis
If he doesnt, its on us. The hell with that. Its not like he is Art Briles. He got another job, no reason to play the moral superiority card here. Especially when its all basically speculationQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
He's who I wanted when we hired Jughead. Kept that train rolling at Memphis after Fuente left when I thought they'd fall off a cliff. Entertaining offense that puts points on the board. The key would be making sure he has a good DC. I don't give a damn if he likes the casinos, the sumbitch wins football games. And that's what you're paying a coach to do last time I checked.
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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
This. It's one thing if he'd covered up a rape ring like Briles did. That should get you banned from coaching for life. But gambling? Hell no. Pull the trigger and get him in here.
Can't say I disagree with you. But you and I both know Cohen is scared to screw up with another Cannizzaro situation in fear for his own future. Sucks, but I'm afraid it's true. Maybe he'll surprise us though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I think it's more than gambling. Rumors of Canny type stuff in addition to it. Again, just rumors and I'm not saying it should be a deal breaker....I just don't see Cohen risking his own job by taking a risk on a Cannizzaro 2.0 situation happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
The one he has now at Memphis was good at Marshall and has done pretty well there. Adam Fuller. If there is a more proven DC somwhere Im for that but I wouldnt be pissed if he brought him with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Derek Nicholson at USM is also a name to watch. He is a good coach and fun to be around. Good recruiter as well
Cohen, I hope is currently worried bout his own future with this sloppy joe guy.
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Originally Posted by timotheus
The interview he had with Finebaum the other day was bad. You could tell Cohen was biting his tongue really hard. I heard him unleash an absolute ring dinger on the State baseball team at Trustmark park in 2015. You could just tell he wanted to lose his shit on Pawl. Finebaum kind of had him in a corner, Cohen isnt dumb, he knows Moorhead aint itQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
If Cohen doesnt get the next football hire right he is risking his own job way worse than he would be by hiring NorvellQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
It probably wont happen bc it is too close to being the right hire. It makes too much senseQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
It's going to take our cigar boys making the hire to make it right if we're all being honest with ourselves. Just have Cohen stand there and hand the Norvell a cowbell at the press conference should be the extent of his involvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
the cigar boys are currently a puffing.....
I’m in Memphis every day. Around tigers fans everyday. I talk football often with them. I’ve never heard of these “rumors”. I’m not saying they aren’t true. But if we hired him, I doubt anyone would mention his dark secrets in the bio.
Most likely y’all are being played by Highland Hundreds to look elsewhere.
These rumors are bullshit floated out to keep some top programs from outbidding for their coach. You guys, don't be suckers. He's a head coach at Memphis right now and everything is fine. He and that program are doing great. Why will a move to another school all of a sudden make these rumors important. Ya'll are being played. If Cohen doesn't grab him up after this season ending at 4-8/5-7 (which I think it will) then we know we have the wrong football HC and the wrong AD.
Of course I have heard the rumors also, not necessarily from message boards. I could care less if he goes to the casino, as we all blow off steam in our own ways. Just don't be betting on your own team (point shaving conspiracy). The other rumors I have heard isn't the Canny type, but more on the line of Petrino type without motorcycles. In essence I would be fine with the hire, only because he has a smoking hot wife, and if he wanted to cheat on that I would be fine tending to her.
I watched him kick all the kids out of the stadium his first year at State and dog cuss the baseball team on the steps of the dugout after a Friday night loss. That's the Cohen I want back.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Let me tell you why Norvell isn?t the guy:
1. No conference championships in a bad conference.
2. No bowl wins.
3. Only 3 top 25 wins (Houston, Navy, UCLA). One of those finished with a losing record, one one game over .500. The other with 4 losses).
4. Fuente was as good and looks like a bad hire at Va Tech.
That conference is waaay down this year too. It’s bad.
Now I buy all that. A shame they don?t play Tennessee more often or other P5 opponents to really see where they are. With that said though, they absolutely shut down OM that first game. OM could have played 8 quarters that day and not tied that game up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I live in Memphis. I like Norvell.The message board rumors have ranged from gambling to women to drugs. And all act like they have the inside scoop even though there are three rumor categories. I have several friends very close to the UM athletic department. Not a one of them have a clue what this situation supposedly is. If there was any truth to any of this, these guys would know. I don't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Fader21...with the fade pass in corner of end zone....for the win...😎Quote:
Originally Posted by Fader21
He will be at Ole Miss soon. The reason he is still at Memphis, he has been learning. And he is a GREAT communicator. The rumors about his skeletons fascinate me. Not one single person, I have ever heard, can give a single fact about any of the rumors. Before you ask, yes I know him personally, and those rumors are absolutely bull shot!! So it’s not any supposed rumors, its Cohen not being able to see talent in a coach. It’s all about the communication and if it’s normal and straight forward Cohen doesn’t like it. For Cohen, a coach has to be the most sophisticated person in the room, the smartest guy on the planet. Coach has to uphold MSU’s crystal clean image. Loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
The guy likes women and cards? So what? Be careful who we hire to work in the football officeQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
There have been some big programs sniffing around him the last couple of years. They always back away. There is something there or he would already be at one of them.
The rumor is a gambling issue. It’s been out there awhile. Like, betting on games that involve his team. So, there’s that. I’m more concerned he just doesn’t play or beat anyone that’s very good.
The AAC West (the division Memphis is in) is above both divisions of the ACC as far as average quality of team per Sagarin, so I'm pushing back on that last part. Their division is tougher than some power5 divisions right now. I'm not over the moon on Norvell, but there's worse hires.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
No it’s not. Sagarin is right about as much as Norvell is betting. That conference is close to coming apart. Tulane and Houston aren’t good this year. UCF isn’t as good as usual. That conference is down. If Memphis is their bell cow, they struggled with bottom feeding OM before Plumlee was even QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
^^This^^ I have no clue if Norvell is the right hire. And I don't hold the Joe hire against Cohen at all. It looked like a great hire that checked all the right boxes. It's just never a sure thing if you are not getting a Saban or Meyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
But even so, if he makes a bad hire two times in a row, even if they both look good without the benefit of hindsight, it will probably be a job killer for him. A guy that does well before having to go b/c of scandal won't hurt him nearly as badly as a guy that comes in and flops from the get go, and if he really thinks NOrvell is the guy but for the supposed skeletons, he needs to ignore the skeletons and hire him.
Oh ok. I'll just take your word over a system that's been doing this well for like 30 years. He's 80% overall and 53% ats. If Norvell was that good, he wouldn't be coaching football. The ACC is awful and the AAC West is better than them at the time being.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I get what the ratings are saying but head to head vs the ACC (small sample because of limited games vs ACC and you have throw in Notre Dame) you have to go back to the 2017 bowl game where Navy beat Virginia badly. Other than that the last 3 years the AAC west is 0-4 vs ACC (Wake Forest twice and Notre Dame vs Navy twice). So while they play good ball and the division has been very competitive, head to head vs ACC they haven’t really done much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
Sagarin isn't saying anything about the last 3 years. Just that this season to date that the AAC West has been superior to both divisions of the ACC and I believe he uses average team rating/division to calculate that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
This is false. All the Memphis grads I work with were jokingly talking about how they're glad he has a gambling problem when Arkansas passed on him and he stayed at Memphis. It's a very prevalent topic with themQuote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I understand that and they are barely above the ACC both divisions right now. 53% ATS is really good but it’s just a little better than a coin flip. When the few games have actually been played between the divisions and Wake Forest is solid but not a power team, they have lost. Again small sample size and none this year but I think you have to take what has happened head to head in recent past in consideration. If the ACC is awful like you stated and I am not arguing that, then the AAC west is right there with them. 1 point separates the 3 divisions right now in the rankings...they are basically the same in the Sagarin numbersQuote:
Originally Posted by Pipedream
Which is to say, the AAC West is as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions, thus making it not weak IMO. For a non power 5 division to be as good or better than 2 power 5 divisions shows a relative strength to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Look at the schedules these teams play. The best they can do is beat bottom feeding teams in P5s. And those games are close games. Temple, who beat Memphis, lost to freaking Buffalo. Jesus, that league isn’t good.