For me I developed serious doubts in the Ky game last year, lack of discipline and focus was evident in abundance. I have seen nothing since then except reinforcement of those bad signs and then too much more. Now fully convinced Joe must go.
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For me I developed serious doubts in the Ky game last year, lack of discipline and focus was evident in abundance. I have seen nothing since then except reinforcement of those bad signs and then too much more. Now fully convinced Joe must go.
The Auburn game.
Last year against KSU when I noticed a OLINE that had preseasaon all SEC players on look lost when trying to line up.
This past weekend against UT. Looked anemic on offense....need to be able to score more than 10 points against UT. Also, we intercepted 2 balls in the endzone. Let's say we don't and UT only converts FGs...it is suddenly 26-10 and looks even worse on paper than it currently does.
Saturday. It’d been building. But I finally had a 100% inexcusable loss. Tenn is awful, and we had two weeks to prep.
Saturday about 2 pm.
Same here. I started having doubts after that game but never came out calling for his head or supporting him but the UT game with 2 weeks to prepare makes it more than obvious now.Quote:
Originally Posted by redstickdawg
Iowa
Think of all the advantages we had in that game and we lose. Gave him a pass on UK, they were good and at their place and it was early. Was close to losing me after UF but got me back with Auburn and A&M. There was no excuse for the bowl game and coaching really showed in that one. This year has just reinforced it.
Kentucky last year. I could tell that night that he was in over his head.
I have a three strike policy when it comes to whether or not coaches should be let go. I don't try to get wound up over one terrible event but three in general that combine to a head coaches demise
Moorhead (note this is only so far in 19 games, not his full career at MSU since it obviously hasn't ended yet):
Strike 1: the loss to Florida, This was a must win, letting our former coach come up and beat us is inexcusable compounded by the fact we only scored 6 points
Strike 2: Iowa: we were the better team, this made me think we aren't trending the right direction seeing how we wasted our great defense
Strike 3: Tennessee: Awful game plan, terrible scheme, all after two weeks to practice. Cant do that.
Last year in general. Our team was so talented that losing 5 seem hard to do.
Specifically after Kentucky and Florida, we failed to do what we were made for - run the ball.Our fans raised hell online.
Joe heard the complaints and then we play Auburn and run it down their throats. After the game Joe joked that he had forgotten how to coach on the Florida game and all would be well going forward.
We then had a bye. During this time I think Joe rethought about it and figured he was here to run his system. Did he believe in it or not?
We then go to LSU and score 3.
I knew then that he would not adjust to the strengths of his talent. And if he can?t or won?t do that then we will only be good with the perfect fit players that fits his system, which will never happen.
Saturday, I held on as long as I could. I hope he makes us all look like idiots and is the greatest coach in school history, but I just don't see that happening at this point...
FL and UK last year. Especially after the way he handled Auburn and then went totally away from that style of offense. And then when he basically said that State hadn’t won an SEC championship since 1941 so we shouldn’t have high expectations.
When he refused to make Keytaon the starter after Fitz graduated.
The TN game was the back breaker. We had two weeks to prepare and we come out unprepared, undisciplined, unorganized and you name it. I thought all those issues were supposed to have been addressed and corrected after the Auburn debacle, but they weren't.
At halftime, I texted a friend in the stadium at the game and said this reminds me of Kentucky, 2018.
I have been getting there slowly... and I mean slowly.
This look at me offense and snapping with 0-3 seconds on the play clock is killing me. Especially when he has the defense on it's heels and gasping for air. He should be going for the throat and have a half dozen plays ready to run and trust his QB to check out if it's not going to work. This year every week I lose it a little more.
That and the lack of his teams being ready. I mean common man, two delay of game penalties in the first four plays vs Auburn. That is shit show business.
I am done, I keep hoping he gets things corrected but after the 1st qtr vs TN, I just cut the TV off. I don't even go to games anymore. I am done until he gets this shit together or he gone. I will keep an eye open and always be pulling for State but as far as "believing"? Nope.
Doubts happened at Florida (Kentucky was bad, but I decided to give him a flyer as a first time HC). I was close to done at LSU. At one point in that game, Fitz had 4 picks and 3 completions IIRC. Iowa was the straw that broke the camel's back. They were a putrid team.
Florida and Kentucky. Then Iowa confirmed that he was not only bad, but unable to adjust, adapt, or change at all. At that point, there was no doubt he's the wrong guy. But I truly knew that he wasn't it during Kentucky last year. Unprepared, undisciplined, deer in headlights....and we've pretty much looked like that ever since
For me it's been a process. There's no point in listing all the things that got us to this point because we all know them. But this UT game was what pushed me over the edge. Two weeks to prepare against a bad team and we looked as bad as we've ever looked. Former players tweeting about the culture change. The whole thing has culminated to this point of realizing it's off the rails and spiraling downward.
He lost me after the Kentucky game last year. A highschool coach could have come up with a better game plan.
It was after 21-0 versus Auburn. I knew deep down there was some major warning signs, but I did try. Last year versus Kentucky, after all of the penalties and just lack of any offense, I was worried. We all know how the season progressed after that.
I was nervous heading into this year, but I did my best to buy into the "his quarterback theory." I keep coming back in my mind to, with one of the best talent lead teams in MSU history, we only won 8 games. What would he do without that talent, and unfortunately we are finding out.
He officially lost in the bowl game and losing out on the 3 recruits on signing day.
That's when I realized he wasn't really good at anything
Auburn.
I knew we were going to lose that game but not be completely and utterly humiliated in the first 6 minutes of the game.
Tennessee just solidified it for me.
Kinda where I'm at as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
The Florida game was a red flag.
The Kentucky game was a red flag.
The Iowa game was a red flag.
The KSU game was a red flag.
The Tennessee game was a red flag up my ass.
I’ll catch flack for this but to be 100% honest it was game 1 last year. And the people that know me heard about it. It was fairly apparent that the program he ran didn’t translate on the field to a championship standard, as he calls it. I knew then he didn’t run a tight ship and was a wanna be players coach...that just doesn’t fly for us.
And to take it 1 step further, and this is why I am so perplexed by the hire in general by Cohen, I didn’t think the guy was a leader the first time I heard him speak. I could go into great minute detail about his traits that call his ability to lead into question but I had my concerns from the day of the press conference and then seeing him do an interview, finebaum I think, just reiterated what I’d thought before. And once I saw the product on the field I knew...I hated it and I wanted to be wrong...but I knew
Florida game was Strike 1.
Iowa was Strike 2.
K-State was strike 3.
Auburn and TN games were the icing on the cake.
I lost hope for this year after the Auburn debacle.
I lost hope for him having a successful tenure at Mississippi State during the 3rd quarter of the Tennessee games.
I'm 100% confident he's not going to get it done at State. We should move on asap.
LSU 2018, Fitz just ripped off a long run inside their 5, and fatass just cant call a simple play to punch it in. Auburn this year at the 3 inch line just confirmed he is clueless.
UT game was the clincher
This is it for me. I am one of the people that has defended him time and again but I am done. I said last week that if we lost UT that it would take a win against LSU and/or Bama, that pretty much sums it up. Even with a fluke win over LSU or Bama, I would still look at how we were playing for the rest of the games. We just look lost and have very little give a shit as a team. You have some players giving what they got but not enough. Most look like they could just stay in the locker room and be ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pollodawg
When he abandoned the Auburn 2018 game plan last year I was done. It was clear that he did not possess the capability to see what worked and what did not, and stick to what worked. There was some of it against A&M but we went right back to the pass happy offense with a running team and receivers with hands like a snake. A blind man in the upper deck could see it, but SloMo could not. It was clear then that he is who he always will be.
He never really had me but I was hopeful he would do well.
Auburn this year. He got a pass for everything last year because it was his first but no excuse for the lack of preparedness and effort vs AU. UT merely reaffirmed my position.
Same. When his team matched in to Kentucky totally unprepared and undisciplined with an inability to move the ball against Kentucky I knew it wouldn?t work. And I?ve said it often since that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Me too. That was the moment I knew it was over. That?s also why I said in a previous thread that we weren?t beating Tennessee. I started having suspicion at the beginning of ULL game. We looked fat, slow, and out of shape. But I?m loyal to a fault. I hoped he?d get it together. Auburn game proved to me that he?s in way over his head.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
It is a little shocking that people went through all of last year with the talent on our team and we lose five and people still believed
Lol, I'd say I was off the train about this time 1 year ago. As were some of you....
https://www.elitedawgs.com/showthrea...light=Moorhead
But look at all the defenders throwing Fitz under the bus in that thread. Ha, it was Joe then and it's Joe now. Get him the hell out
I will admit that the fools gold of A&M game combined with blowing the doors off Ark and UM had me still hanging onto hope. I was disappointed with how many carries Aeris got. It seemed like Joe just had it out for some players for some reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheewgumm