Scrimmage Observations

Was at the scrimmage today and a few things stuck out:

1) Tommy Stevens is for real. He spins the ball better than any MSU QB I?ve ever seen. He ran with the 1?s all day and will do so for the season. He will make a difference for us this year. He had a play where the snap was low, he corralled it and off his back foot threw it on the money to the back corner for a TD.
2) Receiver play is night and day from last year. No drops today and very good routes. Was very impressed with Cam Gardner. He?s going to get some major PT this year.
3) Kylin Hill. He looks like the NFL back we need him to be. One person is not bringing him down this year. He will have 20+ touches a ballgame.
4) Defensively we were very bland. Not to say we looked bad, but we were base basically the entire scrimmage. Dantzler was in a no contact and did not play. Gay was in a no contact with shorts and a boot on. Smithermann had a nice pick at the end of practice.

So you're saying our defense sucks **

Srsly, thanks for the report. I've been quietly woolly on TS since the Manning camp reports.

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Yea the D looked good. Very good at the end of practice when we started blitzing. Once we started sending Cole off the edge our QBs had very little time to throw. We were pretty much base until the last period when they opened it up

I am ready to see these guys live.
I hope we jump out early against our first 4 teams so we can keep everything vanilla until Auburn. I really do not want them to see us coming.

Coaches were probably holding defense back to give offense chance to work.

We still have some issues at the T spot IMO, but overall, the offense will be better. Still curious to see if we can adjust to SEC defenses. QB position is going to be thin next year. Shit, I’m ready to see the product in a game!

How is the QB position going to be thin next year? We will have KT as the #1 and have Shrader and Maden along with the kid from Brandon. We are fine at QB for the foreseeable future. How many QBs do you think we need?

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

How is the QB position going to be thin next year? We will have KT as the #1 and have Shrader and Maden along with the kid from Brandon. We are fine at QB for the foreseeable future. How many QBs do you think we need?

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Don't be surprised if Schrader is the starter next year. Kid has tools.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Don't be surprised if Schrader is the starter next year. Kid has tools.

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That would not surprise me. Moorhead has wanted Shrader since he was at Penn State.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Don't be surprised if Schrader is the starter next year. Kid has tools.

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Yeah if Schrader is the guy next year you can just about guarantee KT will leave. Then you have to be concerned about Mayden as well.

So the spot could get thin for sure if that's the case.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Yeah if Schrader is the guy next year you can just about guarantee KT will leave. Then you have to be concerned about Mayden as well.

So the spot could get thin for sure if that's the case.

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If KT doesn’t beat out Shrader next year then this offense wasn’t meant for KT to run it.

I doubt he spins it better than Dak.

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

I doubt he spins it better than Dak.

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We haven’t seen Tommy Gunn play yet, but this could be an interesting debate. I’ve always felt Dak’s value was based on a ton of things other than how he spun it. It’s completly plausible that Gunn spins it better than Dak but is only 60% of the total QB

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Was at the scrimmage today and a few things stuck out:

1) Tommy Stevens is for real. He spins the ball better than any MSU QB I?ve ever seen. He ran with the 1?s all day and will do so for the season. He will make a difference for us this year. He had a play where the snap was low, he corralled it and off his back foot threw it on the money to the back corner for a TD.
2) Receiver play is night and day from last year. No drops today and very good routes. Was very impressed with Cam Gardner. He?s going to get some major PT this year.
3) Kylin Hill. He looks like the NFL back we need him to be. One person is not bringing him down this year. He will have 20+ touches a ballgame.
4) Defensively we were very bland. Not to say we looked bad, but we were base basically the entire scrimmage. Dantzler was in a no contact and did not play. Gay was in a no contact with shorts and a boot on. Smithermann had a nice pick at the end of practice.

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How is the team taking to Gunn? Is he just a “grad transfer” filler in their minds or is he leading the team?

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Yeah if Schrader is the guy next year you can just about guarantee KT will leave. Then you have to be concerned about Mayden as well.

So the spot could get thin for sure if that's the case.

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QBs will always be leaving. Once you get to the 3rd guy, they all suck anyway. Just make sure your starter is good and your backup won’t 17 it up

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We still have some issues at the T spot IMO, but overall, the offense will be better. Still curious to see if we can adjust to SEC defenses. QB position is going to be thin next year. Shit, I’m ready to see the product in a game!

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What issues do we have at OT? The personnel there seems good. What’s the issue?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

QBs will always be leaving. Once you get to the 3rd guy, they all suck anyway. Just make sure your starter is good and your backup won’t 17 it up

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Well the point was made that our QB position could be thin. I don't know about you but I wouldn't be overly thrilled if our QB depth chart next year was Schrader and Rogers and that was it.

Still will have some issues with speed off the end. I’m not saying they’re bad. Just certain matchups are going to still give us some problems. I think the other question is how will we use the TEs. We’ve heard of more TE sets, so maybe we give them help. We didn’t last year.

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Well the point was made that our QB position could be thin. I don't know about you but I wouldn't be overly thrilled if our QB depth chart next year was Schrader and Rogers and that was it.

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We do need a middle guy.

Is Rogers enrolling early? I wouldn’t want to burn his RS though.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Still will have some issues with speed off the end. I’m not saying they’re bad. Just certain matchups are going to still give us some problems. I think the other question is how will we use the TEs. We’ve heard of more TE sets, so maybe we give them help. We didn’t last year.

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Makes sense. Put some weight on Cross so we can handle the edge

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

1) Tommy Stevens is for real. He spins the ball better than any MSU QB I?ve ever seen. He ran with the 1?s all day and will do so for the season. He will make a difference for us this year. He had a play where the snap was low, he corralled it and off his back foot threw it on the money to the back corner for a TD.

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I most interested to see if he can throw his passes with touch. Fitz could "spin" it, but it was a 200 mph spinning missile that would dent our WRs facemask. If Tommy can place balls with a sense of touch, then look out.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Still will have some issues with speed off the end. I?m not saying they?re bad. Just certain matchups are going to still give us some problems. I think the other question is how will we use the TEs. We?ve heard of more TE sets, so maybe we give them help. We didn?t last year.

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If Joe didn't give our guys TE help in the Kentucky game last year, he never will. He let Allen beat us by himself by refusing that one simple adjustment.

Just put the QB in that can make the reads and throw a catchable ball while an SEC lineman in breathing on you. Spinning it pretty is for camp QBs and 7 on 7 ball. Just get it done.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I most interested to see if he can throw his passes with touch. Fitz could "spin" it, but it was a 200 mph spinning missile that would dent our WRs facemask. If Tommy can place balls with a sense of touch, then look out.

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Fitz couldn't spin it. Arm strength doesn't mean you can spin. In fact, I'd guess Fitz had a low RPM pass, kind of like a sinker in baseball. That's why it was hard to catch. It wasnt hard to catch due to velocity

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Still will have some issues with speed off the end. I?m not saying they?re bad. Just certain matchups are going to still give us some problems. I think the other question is how will we use the TEs. We?ve heard of more TE sets, so maybe we give them help. We didn?t last year.

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It appears you're talking about previous practices not the scrimmage yesterday. Did they use the TE's?

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Originally Posted by ckDOG

Just put the QB in that can make the reads and throw a catchable ball while an SEC lineman in breathing on you. Spinning it pretty is for camp QBs and 7 on 7 ball. Just get it done.

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You got it. I believe all of the QBs on pour team are "adequate" at throwing the ball, but after that making good quick decisions is the most important quality in a QB. A great thrower who makes fails to make a decision quickly will get overwhelmed by any SEC defense.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Fitz couldn't spin it. Arm strength doesn't mean you can spin. In fact, I'd guess Fitz had a low RPM pass, kind of like a sinker in baseball. That's why it was hard to catch. It wasnt hard to catch due to velocity

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Man, where do,you come up with your bullshit? What makes you an QB guru? You wouldn't know a Qb that could spin if he hit you between your 17 ing eyes.

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Man, where do,you come up with your bullshit? What makes you an QB guru? You wouldn't know a Qb that could spin if he hit you between your 17 ing eyes.

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http://perceptionaction.com/poorthrow/

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Man, where do,you come up with your bullshit? What makes you an QB guru? You wouldn't know a Qb that could spin if he hit you between your 17 ing eyes.

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Holliday inn bro

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Was at the scrimmage today and a few things stuck out:

1) Tommy Stevens is for real. He spins the ball better than any MSU QB I?ve ever seen. He ran with the 1?s all day and will do so for the season. He will make a difference for us this year. He had a play where the snap was low, he corralled it and off his back foot threw it on the money to the back corner for a TD.
2) Receiver play is night and day from last year. No drops today and very good routes. Was very impressed with Cam Gardner. He?s going to get some major PT this year.
3) Kylin Hill. He looks like the NFL back we need him to be. One person is not bringing him down this year. He will have 20+ touches a ballgame.
4) Defensively we were very bland. Not to say we looked bad, but we were base basically the entire scrimmage. Dantzler was in a no contact and did not play. Gay was in a no contact with shorts and a boot on. Smithermann had a nice pick at the end of practice.

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2 things...


1-It seems Shrader may be #3 now on the depth chart... per writers.

2-If the defense was playing bland, then I expect the offensive performance to have been great. I want the defense to give them some sort of HELL. That's just me.

One other thing.. Our 1s went against the 2s

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

If Joe didn't give our guys TE help in the Kentucky game last year, he never will.

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Well, this scrimmage.. the first drive was a TD pass to Green(TE) for 15 yards from Stevens.


It may have been more than a HC refusing help... you think? My God!

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I most interested to see if he can throw his passes with touch. Fitz could "spin" it, but it was a 200 mph spinning missile that would dent our WRs facemask. If Tommy can place balls with a sense of touch, then look out.

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Fitz did not throw an easily catchable ball, and it had to do with something about the spin of the ball, and how it looked to the receivers when they were trying to catch it. Add in the velocity and that was the reason for some of the drops. We should have a lot less drops this year but we won't know that until the passing game gets on the field in actual NCAA football games.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

2 things...


1-It seems Shrader may be #3 now on the depth chart... per writers.

2-If the defense was playing bland, then I expect the offensive performance to have been great. I want the defense to give them some sort of HELL. That's just me.

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Schrader looked extremely good yesterday. Ball was getting out quickly and on target. He ran with the 3?s all day.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

One other thing.. Our 1s went against the 2s

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That's one thing JoVester does I really disagree with. Rarely goes 1' vs 1's. Need a little bit of that every now and then to get a true look at your offense

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Originally Posted by Coach34

That's one thing JoVester does I really disagree with. Rarely goes 1' vs 1's. Need a little bit of that every now and then to get a true look at your offense

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They went 1 vs 1 a lot yesterday. You could clearly hear Joe yell 1O vs 1D multiple times throughout the scrimmage.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

We do need a middle guy.

Is Rogers enrolling early? I wouldn?t want to burn his RS though.

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Yes he is graduating early and will go thru spring ball

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They went 1 vs 1 a lot yesterday. You could clearly hear Joe yell 1O vs 1D multiple times throughout the scrimmage.

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1st scrimmage was entirely 1 v 1 & 2 v 2 & so on.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Fitz couldn't spin it. Arm strength doesn't mean you can spin. In fact, I'd guess Fitz had a low RPM pass, kind of like a sinker in baseball. That's why it was hard to catch. It wasnt hard to catch due to velocity

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Fitz could absolutely rip it. I think you are trying to hard here haha ''rpms'' Accuracy and the mental side were his issues, we are beating his dead horse into the ground around here

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

1st scrimmage was entirely 1 v 1 & 2 v 2 & so on.

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good. I know that was a big complaint from last year.