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I feel like this situation with finally bowling in Davis Wade will be like the movie Field of Dreams: If you build it, they will come. If we put seats in the south endzone more people will be eager to attend just because a bowled in-stadium look very cool and we would take great pride in it. I can't wait until Cohen comes up with a plan to make this happen ASAP.
We can go round & round about what needs to be done in the South endzone, but here is the cold.hard. fact:
It looks like absolute shit on TV, in person, & is likely the biggest eyesore in the entire SEC outside of Vandy's entire stadium. It's needs to be fixed
I don't feel like we should bowl in the south end zone. We are in an era of declining attendance. With the capacity we have now, it is rarely full, and it's always easy to get tickets.
Now improvements can be made. It doesn't bother me like it evidently does Shotgun, but some changes might be welcome. I just don't think adding a bunch of seats is the answer.
I'm not sure how to best do something to South endzone but I don't really like just a plain bowl. There is nothing special about that and just like everyone else. I like having a little character to our stadium, kinda like our baseball facility. We need something special not ordinary when we do something. A bowl is boring on both ends.
With the trend in declining attendance, I'm not sure we can justify anything right now anyway.
The funny thing is that Vandy will never get an upgrade in football bc their entire campus and facilities are land locked within Nashville. One thing I would like to say is that first before we do any expansion is that we shape up the interior parts on every side of the stadium. We have already started that with the upgrade we have had in concession stands lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Just the lower bowl, around 40 rows or so. Then do an amazing double sided premium M Club area with a few floors premium bix seats. Above that, do and amazing, condo areas. Got to be mostly glass both sides of the condo. I would make sure they look at the acoustical design and keep the corners open like Seatles stadium.
Now if they continue with that "Days Inn" version the showed us a few months ago......well that is not what we need.
Just to claify, the condos and the mclub should have views to the Junction and field area.
You can still bolw in a stadium and have character to it at the same time. Great example is Oklahoma's recent renovation. I just hate how the south endzone is right now, it looks so quiet and abandoned downed there. My family are M-club members and I never really found the M-club that impressive as of late.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel...…Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Damn, the South End Zone isn't that bad and is kinda unique. I agree with others that the money should be directed to the area under the stands, with more restrooms, concessions and other amenities.
Also I feel like something needs to be done to the west side of the stadium because it's smaller than the east and it would look nice to equalize the sides.
I understand this, but having something in the Southendzone that can be seen on TV & holds sound will do much much more for the brand & perception of the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by ejdallas322
It's shitty type of unique. It's not attractive to recruits & people watching on TV. It needs to be fixedQuote:
Originally Posted by TaleofTwoDogs
Personally, I want something steep that holds sound in while bowling in the stadium.
That doesn't have to be seat, although my favorite idea is to chair back the stadium, which would reduce seats, & then bowl in the South Endzone.
For example, here is Heinz Field. To the eye, if it were a college stadium, you would think it sat 85K or so, but it only seats 68K. By chairbacking the stadium, we can make the place look significantly better while offering the fans a greater experience.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4knnhLadEy0/maxresdefault.jpg
I actually agree with Shotgun in a way. It does look unique and interesting from the outside, but during games it's pretty depressing looking over there and seeing no fans screaming and ringing cowbells, especially at night games. And then what I said before about how old and unimpressive the M-club building is.
I think the only person who thinks this is probably youQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think some of yall are just finding something to bitch about. Multiple national writers and publications have praised our atmosphere and stadium calling it second to none. Our whole gameday experience has been applauded by many.
If we wanna change it, Im good with it, if we dont Im good with that too. Yall acting like attendance is down by like 50 percent. If were not going to do it that shouldnt be the excuse. I think the stadium is great the way it is personally. I think that is money we could use elsewhere, like a badly badly needed IPF. Having been to both football facilities that is the only thing OM has on us at this point. Nothing else they have is close. The Palmeiro needs to become a baseball only facility. Football deserves its own and it should be better than the Palmerio. The top part of the building on the inside is peeling off and it looks bad. That would impress recruits a lot more than a south endzone expansion. Trust me
Is the demand there right now? Not sure it is. If we do anything the SEZ anytime soon I feel certain it will be premium seating of some kind that doesn’t change the overall stadium capacity by much, not expanded general or chair back seating.
Our official stadium capacity is listed as 61,337. We have had only two crowds at or above capacity in the last 3 seasons, 20 home games total. The timing was right to expand the stadium in 2014 because we had been selling out every game since the middle of Mullen’s first year. Barring a great season this year I don’t know that more seating of any kind is needed right now. And I don’t think you do a big expansion there and make it a half baked one, if we’re going to do something it should be a big investment that we really commit to and I don’t think now is the time.
If we were to bowl the SEZ, I imagine we would then probably make the entire lowerbowl chairbacks to try and keep the attendance around the same
Whatever happened to the hotel idea? If that happens, I actually think that's a really good idea. It bowls in/encloses the stadium. It is something that MSU can use year round. They can and I'm sure they will charge an arm and leg for it during football season. I'm sure there are a lot of people that tailgate in the Junction that would love to have a room as a base of operations per say with a bathroom, a place to store food and etc. We can use it in recruiting in that we can have players stay there on visits- pretty sure Ole Miss has one or they use one to leave their backpacks of cash in the room. Not saying we should do that by the way....
It's also within walking distance of The Cotton District which is a good thing for those staying there I would think.
Not to mention the premium they could charge for a room that faces the field with a balcony.
Plus the fact of the matter is attendance in college football is declining and who knows if it will ever rebound? Likely not. Now is not the time to add more seats. Which is why I like Shotgun's idea about adding permanent seats instead of the bleachers.
Plus there are other sports that need facility upgrades. Namely basketball. Football has to wait their "turn".Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Falcon
I'm just randomly guessing that they will enclose the stadium around 2022 -2023.
Talking about a stadium addition when you're not ever gonna be one of the butts in the seats.
"how it looks on TV".
Because that's the only perspective you'll ever have.
Let's let some people who actually go to games give their 2 cents how about it.
Empty seats look like shit on TV.
Leave the south endzone alone.
Yall say attendance is down but let us win a few in a row to start the year and see how many show up for the UK and LSU games. It will be a packed house. Attendance may be down, and I am guilty of not going to as many myself. I used to make every home game, then I started coaching and its just tough to get back up on Saturdays and to throw in the fact that every single SEC game can be watched from your couch its just not as appealing. Gameday is fun and its better than ever, but I dont blame anyone who decides to stay home and crack open a natty and grill.
Like I've said, that is money we could use somewhere else. A stadium expansion right now isnt a great help to the program. A IPF would be, so would extra parking but thats another story
The whole west side needs to be demolished and rebuilt from the ground up. In my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by ejdallas322
I go to games and I don't think the Renaissance fair tents look good and I do think the M-Club Building is outdated. The M-Club Room is even worse on the inside if you have ever been in there for a game. There aren't really any seats so the former athletes have to pile up chairs at the front of the window to watch the game. That's an issue when you have people like my Mom trying to watch a game and Croom's entire offensive line is sitting in front of her and the seats are at the same level or some former basketball player.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I don't know what MSU will do in the future as far as the South end zone but the M-Club members need their own section somewhere that is more comfortable. Like some kind of club seating or maybe a special area in the new hotel with seats where they can go outside and watch the game.
We may sell out USM (maybe), LSU, and Bama. Having the Egg Bowl on Thanksgiving hurts attendance as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I don't know about that. They pretty much just renovated everything under the West side and underneath the West side is pretty good honestly. I would install seats. If I had to do anything and was hell bent on trying to make the stadium match up- just renovate the upper deck on the West side. If it looks OK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
Yes to a true 100-yard Indoor Practice FacilityQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
That can be used year round and make our team BETTER.
Don't spend millions of dollars on a stadium that is used 7 times a freakin year.
Put a media centre like this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...dia_Centre.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Media_Centre
I like the open end stadium. You can see some of campus from inside and you can see inside of stadium from outside. Bowled in stadiums have no character.
No need to add more seats as average attendance will never grow very much more than it is now. Spend available money on something else.
Not a bad idea to improve M-Club building to provide some stadium type seating to M-Club members within the parameter of the current footprint.
We probably have the worst IPF I have been too. It is not good to put it nicely compared to Bama and OM. OM doesnt have much else that is on our level except for their IPF. It connects to their stadium, houses all of their offices and weight room. Its nice but thats about all the stood out to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
We do need to do something with the South End zone. The hotel idea is genius if we can make it look like part of the stadium and not just some random structure. If not the hotel, we could bowl it in with premium seats, take out existing bleachers in the stadium and replace with chairbacks. That would make the stadium look better without increasing capacity. The south end zone is an eye sore. The North side looks like something Jerry jones built while the South side of the stadium looks like we are stuck in 1999.
And Bucky, I love ya but football should not have to wait its turn. Football is the reason anyone else even gets a turn.
You got me wrong. I didnt say football should wait its turn, Im just saying we could use the money for a stadium expansion for some other things that we need more at the moment. Primarily an indoor practice facilityQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
You're correct. I meant to reply to Todd. I agree that we need an indoor facility first.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
This!! We have the right amount of seats. No need to spend money to add empty seats. That would look worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by somebodyshotmypaw
Regardless....The seats are a ways from the field. It has a low angle making rows 1-15 near useless. (You can’t see any action on the west side line.). No premium seating for revenue. Press box old as dirt. Quarter deck concourse is too small to service that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
demo it as soon as the season is up. Get the new and improved lower risers in before the next season. THen InThe 2nd off season before the season after next, build the upper levels with club level, sky boxes etc etc . ....
Have you not read the thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by AROB44
No one is vouching for adding many seats. There are other ways.
I'd also add canopies to the upper decks to hold in sound and provide shade.
I wonder if there is a way to just take out the West upper deck and replace with a full-width upper deck (maybe all chairbacks), a new pressbox, and a new West club level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen
I don?t think it looks bad except for those golf bleacher things they added.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Those do look like shit.
If we do a stadium modification, we don't need to add seats necessarily. In bowling the South end zone, we could really make it a cool feature--instead of throwing the students there like OM did. My suggestion would be that we have something like the Falcons/Cowboys (obviously a stretch, I'm aware) and make the seating an indoor/outdoor option. You can walk outside and cheer on the dawgs, or sit inside and keep your nuts from sticking to your leg. People might pay for a good option like this, instead of more cheap seats with a shitty view.
That is basically the Scoreboard Club, which is amazing and is what I think the best course of action is for the SEZ if we don't build a hotel there.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkvilleGuru