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Man, pretty surprised.
I like it. Ginn doesn't need to go against Miami because they have too many lefties. We will probably play Miami 1-2 times, and I think Plumlee is a better matchup for them. I also trust Plum more in high pressure situations, which the later games will be.
Me too. Oh well, I try not to worry about things like this too much. He should mow them down. I guess Plumlee on Sunday then after Small on Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I like it.
Smart! We need Small vs the #2 seed with the lefty heavy lineup
I don’t think that’s very smart, totally gives away the SWAC advantage we had.
Let’s hope we jump out to a 12-0 lead early and pull him after 40
Could be the idea. Pull him and then start him if needed on Monday with a low pitch count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
I doubt the decision was ever involved small vs southern. I think it was plumlee or ginnQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Somehow I doubt it. We probably made some assurances on arm use to get him in schoolQuote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I was thinking Plumlee or maybe even Smith BUT winning the first 2 is the trick to these regionals. It would be disastrous to lose the first game to Southern and if I am Lemonis, I wouldn’t want to be in that situation.
If we win the first 2, Plumlee will pitch against someone’s (probably miami’s) number 4 and Smith against someone’s number 5 if needed.
Smith should also be able to throw an inning in the first game if needed. It would be nice if we beat the breaks off of Southern early and can throw Cerantola and see how he does and hopefully save some pitching.
Would have rather seen Plumlee but as long as we win the first 2 I don’t care who throws. Winning the first 2 are a must.
The only way this makes sense is to pitch him a few innings and then bring someone else in, so he's still available for the last game should we need it. But like 7 said, he came here with a limit in place so I doubt it.
I guess it's not the worst scenario, but it's not the best either.
Could this be to give Ginn more time to rest leading to the Supers? Pitching vs Southern gives him 2 more days than if he went game 3. Plumlee can recover faster
OR, if we want to be pessimistic... Ginn's arm is acting up again and Plumlee is the better pitcher right now, so by throwing Ginn we're throwing our #3
It makes sense if they would rather Plumlee take on Miami, who has 6 lefties, in the 3rd game.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Ginn needs a little confidence boost, too. Recovered well but had a rocky start against Ole Miss and did not pitch well against LSU.
Ginn is young, has struggled some as of late, and he's never been in a situation as high pressure as this. Nothing in high school can prepare for the environment he will be part of tomorrow.
If we are in a win or go home scenario and I have my choice of Plumlee or Ginn, right now I take Plumlee. Doesn't mean he's better than Ginn, but he's been there done that before and has a crap ton more experience on his side.
Let Ginn get his feet wet against a team he should dominate. Get the confidence up and get him rolling. We will need him in a big time situation if we are going to win the whole thing.
Good move; I like Small in second game. Ginn should handle Southern fine. From here on out, Small got to pitch in ace moments on prime time. That is what you do when you have one of best pitchers in college baseball.
Been wondering why I hadn?t seen this scenario thrown out. Personally I have no issue with it and kinda like it.
I think it's more that Ginn just hasn't been the same since he missed those games with a sore shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
And who is going to penalize us for breaking this totally not made up assurance?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
First off, I have no idea if there even is an agreement. Let's say there is though, he could leave immediately if he so chose to and follow carter to Japan. Most likely he would just take the ball, but that's terrible business to just backtrack like that. Again though, I have no idea if there's some sort of agreement... I'd hope so though bc kid has a future.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
You penalize yourself by not taking care of a kids arm w big time potential. It's not hard to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
Lemonis is proving how good of a coach he isQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
Exactly! You mess one up and word gets around. It's detrimental to the player and the program both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Exactly!Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
You are 100 percent correct!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
This. Confidence boost, and you don't go to the Regional Final depending on two freshmen as your only starters. I still would have liked to see Plumlee or even Smith throw vs Southern, but I can understand why Lemonis is making this choice, and as long as we win the Regional I'm cool with it. We will need JT to beat great teams if we want to win it all, so if smoking Southern is the confidence boost he needs...I'm good with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
Next Friday is the Super Game-1, I think you want give pitchers regular, predictable rest. Ginn vs Stanford next Saturday is ok too.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
Future recruits.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
uhhhh guess you missed the A&M game that was his best game by far this year from a pitch count, command and location standpoint... a bobble in right field cost that game ...Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
I also think its overblown how "bad" he pitched against LSU last time out. He struck out 5 of the first 7 guys he faced. Only gave up 4 hits before he was pulled....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
Might not be a fri start don't know yet. Some start satQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
If we lose to Miami with Small it means we have to come back and beat a decent CMU team and then Miami TWICE with Plumlee, Smith, and....Cerantola? Ginn won’t go on two days rest, not happening.
We could win tomorrow with Keegan James on the mound, I’m sorry but Ginn is wasted here and essentially puts all our eggs in Ethan Small’s basket. A loss to Southern is not happening but if we then lost to UM with Small we could finish up with three decent starts in Ginn, Plum, and Smith. Now we can’t.
I just disagree. We need to start one of either Ginn or Plumlee. I thought it would be Plumlee. I like the Ginn decision. This Southern team beat LSU. Something we struggle to do. We HAVE TO win the first game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Nope, not at all. He's still excellent. He was just on another level before the shoulder deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
I like it only if Ginn is on a pitch count and this is a glorified bullpen session that allows Ginn to come back for a winner take all final game on Monday.
Start Ginn and let him go three innings. Bring in Brandon Smith for three. Bring in Cetentola for two. Bring in Colby White to close it out. If it's a blowout close with Keegan James.
You're correct if it isn't a glorified bullpen session. If it is a glorified bullpen session then we go with Small against someone's two. Then if we win that we go with Plumlee against a three. Then we could go with Brandon Smith in a game four and if we have to play Monday go back with Ginn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
It could actually set us up where we use Ginn for a potential championship game in a Super Regional as well.
Now if Lemonis doesn't do this- I reserve the right to agree with you after the fact.
The truth is people are trying to spin this into a positive MSU thing. If Ginn goes deep it is definitely questionable. And it wouldn't be the first time this year that this staff has done something questionable with the staff if we are all honest with ourselves here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil