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I think I see the early signs of a future Mad Queen.
No way in hell Bron kills Jaime or Tyrion. Bros before hoes on that one.
Will Jon play the "I'm really the true king" card?
Did Bran stay out all night waiting on Jaime? Winterfell is not wheelchair accessible.
It will be interesting what Dany does when she finds out that Jon is actually the rightful heir. So much of her journey has been that she is the heir and that has driven her on.
I can't see Bron killing either one. I think it is just a reason to get him to Winterfell where the real fight is.
I can't see Jon saying anything at all until at least the Night King is dead. He has said himself numerous times that the crown doesn't matter right now.
Bran does what crazy 3 eyed ravens do, be creepy as 17.
My wife and I were talking about it, they basically need to wrap up the fight with the Night King in the next 2 episodes. They have to still deal with who sits on the Iron Throne and then have at least 30 minutes to wrap everything up.
Our guesses:
episode 2 - starts battle at Winterfell
episode 3 - Huge battle
Episode 4 - wrap up battle and kill nightking
Episode 5 - begins battle for Iron Throne
Episode 6 - 1 hour 20 minute episode - first 45 minutes finishing up who sits on the iron throne. Last bit is wrapping up various characters (if everyone isn't basically dead) - Hot Pie or Night King if he isn't killed, on Iron Throne. Possibly Bron since he wanted a castle.
You know, I want to say the producers mentioned at comic-con in San Diego that the first three episodes were War of the Night King and the last three were last battle for the throne and wrapping it all up.
Makes sense, it will be interesting to see what they do with the new Star Wars trilogy they are about to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I hope it erases everything past the prequels. I can live with the prequels but this new stuff is just garbage. I am interested about the live action Mandalorian coming out but it looks like it may be only streamed on the Disney version of Netflix. I'm done with paying monthly for a dozen streaming services. It starts being more than cable and that's why I cut it. I'm sure as hell not getting CBS All Access just to watch ST Discovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Sansa becomes the night Queen, she always wanted to be a Queen.**
It's taken you this long? She's been the Mad Queen basically the entire series. Fitting since she's really a bastard of the Mad King (Jaime too). If she doesn't die in the end, I lose all faith in humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
I'm talking about Dani. She's probably going to kill Sansa for disloyalty and Jon will either take it or kill her too. Then I guess it would be ironic if Jaime killed her just like he did her father.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Dani isn't going to kill Sansa because Dani is going to die having Jon's baby. The time I'd say she was closer to Mad Queen was executing the Tarlys needlessly. But I don't think she's anywhere near mad, just a bit harsh at times. Makes sense considering the life she's lived. Plus, that isn't the story being told. You've got to evaluate things in the larger context of the story itself. There's no indication in either the books or the show that she's on a path to become the Mad Queen. That's Cersei's arc, as the bastard daughter of the Mad King.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Do they think Jamie/Cersi are the Mad King's children? I know a lot of people think Tyrion is from things in the books to go along with Tywin's hatred of him. It is also why people thought from the books that he would be the third dragon rider at the time before the Night King killed Viserion.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Yes, that's the irony of Tywin's hatred of Tyrion. The whole theory that Tyrion is the bastard of the Mad King & Joanna Lannister is a red herring. It's really Jaime & Cersei that are bastard Targaeryens - Blackfyres. It's heavily foreshadowed in Cersei's story. Tyrion is the only real Lannister and Tywin's legitimate heir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
The key in GoT/ASOIAF is this line: History doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes. I don't remember the corollary rhyme from the history, but their was a story where a son unknowingly killed his father to save the realm. That's what happened with Jaime & Aerys. Jaime unknowingly slew his father to save King's Landing and the people. Cersei's rhyming story is going to mirror that of Alison Hightower, the Dowager Queen (look it up).
I looked it up and it is amazing how much time has been put into back stories now. GRRM needs to concentrate on finishing the series but I am afraid he just doesn't care now that the show will put the ending out there. I have seen it stated that the ending is supposed to be the same but how they get there will be different.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Pretty interesting episode...
Obviously next week the shit hits the fan.
It definitely felt like a goodbye type episode. Jamie basically getting forgiveness kind of from Bran and then knighting Brienne of Tarth. I do wonder what is going to happen between Jon and Dany now that she knows he is the rightful heir. She already got pissed off by Sansa saying the North basically wants to rule themselves and then Jon tells her that he is the rightful heir and the proof is from his brother and best friend.
Dany seems to be leaning toward the Mad Queen territory and I don't trust that she doesn't go off the rails as soon as the White Walkers are taken care of.
Next week will be the Butcher's Episode. I bet we lose half the cast.
That was a really good episode setting up for the battle. I was glad to see Podrick back. He's one of my favorite minor characters. I'm sure he's done for next episode.
The dragons know Jon is Targarion (sp?). I expect that to play a role at some point.
Jamie is as good as dead. I doubt he survives episode 3. Although a lot of people are about to die.
I think Dany will go Mad Queen and try to draconus Jon. He will not die from dragon fire but Dany might think he is dead. Jon then realizes she went over the edge and has to kill her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
If it doesn't end that way, it should. Be a great ending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
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Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Dany kills Sansa because she won't bend the knee after the War of the Night King. Jon has to kill Dany and take the Iron Throne. He makes Samwell his Hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Samwell would be a great hand. So is Tyrian. I think they should let those two battle to the death. Winner gets to pick the King/Queen.
Great episode and loved how Arya finished it. My wife called it when the red woman said she would kill blue eyes. I guess the TV show is just throwing all of the prophecy stuff out the window.
Holy Shit! That was a great episode. Arya coming in to kill the Night King was epic. For a moment there I thought Bran was gonna pull of some kinda Professor X psychic warfare stuff and hinder the Night King enough for Jon to level the killing blow. Nope. Bran just sits there like bait. But, of course he knew this would come to pass...yawn.
The characters that died were expected. I'm not surprised except for young Lady Mormount. I think she should have survived.
They did give her one of the best deaths in the entire show. She died like a BOSS. I did like that Arya basically was trained for the last several years for that instant. If she isn't like a ninja then she doesn't get close to him like that. I was wondering what Bran was going to actually do. I thought the 3 eyed raven would do something other than worg into a raven to fly around. I thought he was going to take over the dragon but nope, just being boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
They kind of turned it on its head with Jon getting trapped by the dragon. I will say that GRRM definitely has the ability to change things in the books. The Children of the Forest have basically been nonexistent except for getting Bran to the 3 eyed raven. All of the prophecy stuff didn't apply. No real mention of why the Red Priestess just accepted death after either. I figured she used most of her power to light the swords and trench but still would have liked some type of resolution. I just hope Bran maybe gives more information at some point.
Right now, the theories about Bran becoming Bran the Builder and then maybe the Night King is actually more interesting than the show ended up being.
Now there will be an episode building to Episode 5 battle. I bet the Battle for the Iron Throne will be pretty cool also. Then Episode 6 will be the conclusion of the Battle and the final ending or maybe the battle will be over in Episode 5.
The Golden Company ain't no screaming horde of Dathraki. They are well trained and Strickland is a military genius. That should be epic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I honestly wonder how many people are left after the Battle at Winterfell. The Golden Company + Lannister army + Euron Greyjoy fleet should be more than enough even with 2 dragons on Dany's side. The opening credits also show the big scorpion that almost took out a Dragon with Bronn firing it from the wagon. You would think that they have had time to have plenty built to defend Kings Landing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
That's true. I think Yara kills Euron. I kinda wish Euron was a little like the book version. I haven't read all the books but from what I gather Euron is a dabbler of black magic and has been educated by the warlocks with the night shade blue lips to show for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
He also has a horn that is supposed to control dragons. It has been a few years since I read it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
That's right. Supposedly he's the only person to ever visit the ruins of Valyria and live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Y'all are confusing me with all this reading nonsense...
I expected Arya to make a huge kill at some point, but I thought she'd be sneaking into King's Landing for that job. Hope she's not done. She's become one of my favorite characters.
Are the dragons ok? I know at least one was, but not sure both were. Was that clear by the ending?
Read an article that said both dragons were spotted in the trailer for next week's episode. I wonder if she somehow kills Cersie since she is on the list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I expected a few more minor character deaths this past week, but I knew all the "big" characters (Sansa, Jon, Arya, Bran, Tyrion, Jaime, Dany, Brienne) would live. They've got to be around for the battle for the Iron Throne. Looks like they've definitely thrown out the prophecies relating to the Night King in the show. Now I'm more convinced than ever that the show & the books will be significantly different. I originally thought they were heading to the same ending but would get there different ways. Now that the prophecies are out the window for the show, I think they're heading somewhere different. They're making changes for surprise value now. GRRM isn't going to toss it out.
I thought when Melisandre showed up it was to even the odds a little with her magic. She was an effing Bic lighter in two scenes. I was hoping she would throw down with a white walker and go nuclear to take him out with about a thousand wights.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I think she used pretty much all the juice she had left. That's why she dropped the amulet and let the wind blow her away. Magic has a price in this world, and I'm sure she's used all her currency.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
The amulet was pretty dim when she took it off so I think you are right. It went dark when she dropped it.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
I just kinda want to see this happen. During the fight at Kings landing, Jon and danys army is getting smashed, but at the end Dario Naharis comes in to save the day with those dang elephants that Cersei didn?t get. To make it even better, have Jaqen Hagar have taken the face of a higher up in essos to take command of the elephants. That exact situation seems implausible, but I definitely think the elephants come into play in the battle.
I forgot about Dario. He's the captain of the Second Sons now. I bet Dany sends word to him in Essos to sail them to Dragonstone for the Battle of King's Landing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
Yes, the Second Sons are supposed to be the next best mercenaries. It would be cool to see elephants and Cersei say some shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
The battle with the dead was what I looked forward to the most so I'm pretty disappointed it ended in 1 episode without the night king even using his sword
But it was an hour and twenty two minute episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7