I honestly didn't think it would be possible to have a team that good again for a long time. Obviously a disappointing ending, but that team was really damn good.
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I honestly didn't think it would be possible to have a team that good again for a long time. Obviously a disappointing ending, but that team was really damn good.
I'll get back to you at the end of the year. I like this team better though.
I think the 2016 ended up being better than this team currently is, but this team is better right now than that one was. And I think this team has a higher ceiling. That team had very good SP, but I like this year's duo better than any 2 from 2016. 2016 also had a very good, deep offense, but it took them a little while to get going. This offense is already hitting on all cylinders and is better top to bottom.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
2016 defense and bullpen were better, but it also took a little while for the bullpen to come together. I think this year's team has as much bullpen talent as that one did.
I like this year's team better.
Good question. Let?s unpack it.
C - Kruger vs Skelton = Kruger
1B - Lowe vs Allen - Lowe
2B - 2016 version of Stovall vs Halter = Equal
SS - Gridley vs Westburg = Westburg
3B - Collins vs Foscue = Equal with a lean towards Foscue
LF - Humphreys vs Rowdey - Equal although they do it in different ways.
CF - Mangum vs Mangum = 2019 version
RF - Rooker vs Mac = Rooker but Mac is a better defender
Fri - Hudson vs Small - Equal in effectiveness. Hudson better pro prospect
Sat - Sexton vs Ginn - Not close. Biggest gap between both teams.
Sun - committee vs committee = Equal
Closer - Humphreys vs Gordon - Equal. Trust Gordon more but Hump was more talented.
Set- Up - Houston vs White - Houston late in the season
Overall, I think the 2016 team was more talented but JT Ginn on Saturday gives this team another ace that 2016 didn?t have. Add that into this team having greater experience, and I think the 2019 team is more likely to win a natty.
This team is tougher and more confident. The 2016 group was coming off some bad years. This team is coming off Omaha
Could not disagree more about most things than about Collins VS Foscue. If he holds his current path, it?s Foscue and frankly it?s not even close...Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Collins in 2016 = .921 opsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Foscue = .956 ops
Collins was after 30+ sec games, regional, and SR.
I think your having a recency bias. Collins was goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Without looking at stats, I remember Collins hitting for a high average but with not as much power as Foscue is showing. Collins was also out of position, so his defense wasn?t as good as Foscue?s. Collins was a damn good hitter though and I would love to have 9 of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
And unless I am misremembering on when Rooker graduated, he had a good year in 2016 but 2017, obviously is when he went crazy. Statistically, as it stands right now, 2016 Rooker and Mac might be about equal or slight edge to Mac.
That?s probably fair. I just remember a lot of frustration with Collins. But my memory is probably skewed because I expected big big things from him. He was good, but not elite. Foscue has that chanceQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
You're missing Pilkington as the Sunday starter in 2016, and he was really good.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I would also say it's not completely clear cut at C. Kruger was fantastic, but Skelton has been just as good so far. And I would give a slight edge to MacNamee in RF over 2016 Rooker.
In 2016; 2b was Holland, Cf was Robson (hurt a bit), Rf was Mangum, and Dh was RookerQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
A real comparison would be:
C- Kruger was an All American and 1st Team All SEC and probable MLB
1B- Lowe is a MLB 1b
MIF - Westburg
MIF - Gridley
3b - Foscue no doubt
OF - Freshman Mangum
OF - Senior Mangum
OF - MacNamee - Rooker had not found the energy crystals yet in 2016
DH - Rooker without the crystals
SEC Rotation - Small, Ginn, and Hudson
Closer - Hump blew the save in Game-2 vs Arizona and dropped a fly ball in Game-1 vs Arizona. Gordon all the way
2016 was slightly better, IMO
I understand that and that's why I said I lean towards Foscue. However, I didn't think the difference was large enough that it would make lean one way or another in regards to which team was betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Much of the frustration with Collins was about his defense rather than his bat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
2016 didn't get its sheet pushed in by LSU
The best thing about the 2016 team was when Stovall caught the last out and slammed it into the ground. LSU fans hated that. Until we can get that fire back like the 2016 team had then we won't ever be competitive against LSU
I get the feeling our performance this weekend will help settle this debate. Even before this weekend I would have said 2016, but that it's close. It's a wider gap now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
With that said, the 2016 team ranks as one of the biggest disappointments ever because I thought they had everything to give us our first title.
But the 2016 team was at least the most underachieving team in the last 30 years, maybe of all time.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Good to have you around Arrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArrowDawg
Won sec, regional, and lost game 3 of SR against a red hot team. Disappointing, sure, but I think you're going to the extremeQuote:
Originally Posted by Barkman Turner Overdrive
Pretty sure we went 0 and 2 against Aridzona. Was rated #1 at one time that year and did not make it to Omaha. So, yea. Underachieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You right, 0-2. You know this team is making it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barkman Turner Overdrive
The way this team has played since winning the second game in Gainesville, it would not surprise me for us to not make it out of a regional. No true closer. No middle reliever. Our pitchers not named Ginn, Small, or Gordon are pedestrian at best. But, my point about the 2016 team underachieving by not making it to Omaha Stands. But hey, feel free to continue arguing because message boards are your life. In the words of Bill O, I will give you the last word.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Barkman Turner Overdrive
Theirs was pushed in by A&M.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
SBW, yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania