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So who's it going to be?
I think its clear Moorhead is doing everything possible to make sure its not KT. I also see no indication that it would be Mayden. Are we going to be going after a transfer until we get one? For some reason, I would still probably bet KT takes our first snap next year.
My gut says if no transfer then it's Schrader. Moorheads insistence on grabbing a transfer and his seemingly lackluster approach to Thompson and Mayden tells me he will go to whatever lengths necessary to ensure neither of those two are starting at QB for MSU. I think Mayden/Thompson would make amazing Mullen QBs and I was very excited to see what Mullen could do with them, but now that he's gone they don't fit the mold of what we are now. I'm actually excited to see Schrader, a Moorhead guy, even though it could be a rough first year I need to see what this Moorhead offense can be.
True freshmen start at good P5 programs every year. If shrader grasps the offense, his passing skills appear superior, so Moorhead may just give him the keys and go. I do think shrader is the guy that'll determine if Moorhead has a successful run at state or if he is an offensive analyst at bama in 3 years.
Schrader isn't ready to be a starting qb in this league.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
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Originally Posted by dawgs
Good ones?? Who. Where ? Fromm did last year..... keep going....
If it’s not KT, we are going 4-8 and Moorhead is done. That may be the case even with KT unless he’s a big improvement over Fitzgerald.
Tua played last year. Lawrence this year. Surely he's as good as those guysQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
If Moorhead is fired after next year we deserve the journey into the wilderness that will follow.
What if we go 2-10? I don't think we will... just wondering if that would be grounds in your mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
I think it will be between Key and Shrader and my guess is that Shrader will take over or win the job outright. And it's not because I think Shrader is the real deal or awesome. It's because he fits the offense better. And it worries me because he is a true freshman and he won't really be ready. At least he went through some bowl prep and will be here in the spring.
I think it's going to be Schrader & think we are all going to be surprised at 1. How much he knows the offense & 2. He's athletic enough to at worst do what Fitz did this year. Schrader is faster than Fitz.
Don't underestimate that Moorhead got HIS GUY with Schrader. He got the first offer he handed out when he got to MSU & he got a guy that he's been recruiting since he was a sophomore in HS.
What we don't know about Schrader is how well he already knows this offense. Is it possible that kid that has been recruited by Moorhead since he was a SO in HS & who has been attending Moorhead camps since then would know a ton about this offense already?
How do we know that Schrader isn't ALREADY ahead of the other two QBs in terms of knowing this offense?
Something to think about.
The trick for Moorhead will be to keep the other two QBs from transferring before the 5th game next season while also being convicted in a starter rather than pulling a Mullen & losing to South Alabama because he couldn't decided between Fitz & Williams
KT also played last year late in the year & did well. From all accounts, Schrader is more polished than KTQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
My hope is that after approximately 20 months having CJM?s playbook, putting in film study and a lot of practice throwing, Key will be a decent QB next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
He?s a better passer than Fitz. Hopefully he?ll pick up the offense.
To me, his use of KT has been so odd. Today took it to an even more odd level. I really don't see the harm in attempting to see what KT has and if Schrader beats him out next year, he beats him out.
101.8 passer rating was playing well?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I wouldn’t count Tua last year. Lawerence would be a better comp to Fromm. But you are talking about all 3 were Top 4 at their position and Lawerence was the Top player in the country coming out. Tua and Fromm were also Top 50 players at any position. Huge gap at talent and being ready to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
It was a joke, reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Before there is QB named I hope we are able to do a better job of keeping them upright and able to deliver a ball down field accurately. We did a terrible job of that this year against any team with a pulse. I know your going to say no way but the play of our line was sub par most of the year.
Shrader, for him as well as us in the long run, needs to redshirt. You never know how quickly someone comes along but he needs work and a year in a program. Not just to further strengthen his shoulder but to also work on correcting his mechanics. Add learning the system and for his development he really needs another year from where they think he is today. Maybe he comes along very fast but I just don’t count on it
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Originally Posted by msstate7
Ah. My bad
Why, he played against some of the best church league teams in N.C.! **Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
That's our best case scenario. I just don't have a lot of confidence in him reading SEC defenses as a freshman but maybe Moorhead can get him through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Anyway that's why I compare him to John Bond. We went 3-8 in Emory's first year because our QB's didn't fit Emory's system. So he brings in Bond who I assume ran the wishbone in high school and boom.
JoMo us not doing everything to keep him from it. Either KT can do it or he cant. There is no bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
Tua didn't start a game not one. And FYI did you leave off sarcastrica cause he ain't tua not Lawrence, who was the number #1 qb in the countryQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
While correct, I think Fitz's sub par quickness, heavy feet, & lack of pocket awareness had a ton to do with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
One thing I am excited about with KT & Schrader is that both are quicker with significantly lighter feet than Fitz. That should allow us to scramble more & manipulate the pocket
Fitz couldn't do it, but he still got plenty of shots. Look I know your stance on this situation, and you could be right, but its a bad look for Moorhead to be lining him up at RB and WR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach007
I think at the very least Key would make better reads and throw a more catchable ball. That's improvement right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
So your saying that Fitz doesn't move well in the pocket right? If so it's hard to have quick feet with a 270 DE hanging on your ass or a 220 LB coming unblocked right up,the middle on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
He does not. Fitz is fast but not really quick. He runs well moving forward but not really laterally. Dak doesn't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Watch Brady, Romo, Rodgers, Luck, P Manning, etc if you want to see what I'm talking about
I didn't see that at all in the opener. Like the head guy said right church wrong pue. He can spin it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It was a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Remember his touchdown pass against Arkansas? He also threw some decent deep passes against Stephen F Austin. The thing I question about Key is his leadership. Maybe he'll step up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
The funny thing is there were a few people on here during the season bitching that we didn't run 2 QB sets like Joe had at PSU. They said we needed that wrinkle and with Fitz and KT it was stupid that we weren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by chef dixon
MSU fans are notorious for wanting to do the opposite of whatever the current coach wants to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Absolutely, with no question. However we won?t go 2-10. 6-6 floor with a 9-3 ceiling next yearQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And also for a "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" way of thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Is Schrader a good student and capable of thinking fast?
Its not going to be Key per a current assistant coach I know. If it is, then 2 or 3 other options didn't pan out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Let's look at the 1990s:Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
"Sleepy sucks! Put in Plump!"
"Why are we playing Plump? Put in Todd Jordan!"
"Jordan sucks! Whatever happened to that Hudson kid? We want Taite!"
"Taite sucks, put in that Wyatt kid from Tupelo!"
"Wyatt sucks! Put in that freshman Madkin!"
"Madkin sucks, put Wyatt back in! Shit he sucks too go back to Madkin!"
He graduated high school early so I assume he's a good student.Quote:
Originally Posted by RocketDawg
That doesn't surprise me. I actually would have been more surprised if he did start.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Ah yes. The 1990's. Sherrill couldn't develop a QB to save his life. Plump really was the worst. In 1999 we all made it work out somehow because Wyatt could run the two minute offense pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
I know Greg. Great guy but as a qb not so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State