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I know there was an elevated expectation level heading into the season for a myriad of reasons,? Moorhead said. ?From a historical context, we?re battling to get where we?ve never been since 1941. I understand the disappointment because of the expectation level, but reality is reality.?
The reality is we were ranked #1 not to long ago
The reality is you are a bust with your Shitty ass offense. 17 u.
Tell us how you really feel.
Lol...get em 99!
You forgot the best part: "There's really not a barometer for what it takes to win an SEC Championship in Starkville."Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
What a douche bag...
Man, never knew being ranked number 1 after beating a few mediocre teams would get us so much notoriety.
Some of y'all are too sensitive. Oh, and he's right.
That's what I tell my wife after she gets upset when I say her ass is fat....LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
Mullen winning 10 games with a shitload of NFL players has redefined our floor of acceptability apparently. Joe could have done a lot better but a lot of people want to throw the baby out with the bathwater.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
Don't y'all know, this team is so talented we would win 8 games with no coach. I'm thinking we should let elitedawgs call the plays Saturday. We could probably get a play in to Fitz in about the same amount of time as it takes the current staff. Hell, we don't even need a play book, just call Hill left or Hill right and we win by 3 touchdowns.
We could go old school Tecmo Bowl and have 4 plays. Honestly, we could still probably beat Ark like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
Why is he a douchebag. He's 100% correct. And in order to attack things you want to achieve, you first have to be able to admit your failings. One of our biggest failings is that we don't know what it takes to win an SEC Championship because we never have. So he's 100% correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
Why does that offend people?
Well, Joe needs to run his statements by somebody before he says shit like that. All he needs to say is that they've done a poor job installing their offense. Some of that is on the coaches, some of that is just a reflection of the fact that it was harder for the players becuase while they have a lot of talent on offense and good kids, they were a better fit for Mullen's offense and they were missing some key pieces to help the offense run that they will get in place for next year. Finito. Don't blow any bullshit. Just take responsibility with no excuses other than acknowleding that transitioning offenses is tough for the kids and the coaches weren't able to get it done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I'm telling you, it's all Brandon Walker's fault for making us believe we were about win a championship.
You can't come in here and talk about trophies and ring sizes, get your ass handed to you in SEC play and then say "I understand the disappointment, but reality is reality. There's really not a barometer for what it takes to win an SEC Championship in Starkville."Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Joe also told these players to know their ring sizes and for fitz to clear off his mantle for a heisman.
Exactly. He helped build the expectations, and now doesn't wanna be held to the standard he said we'd meet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
If he really said what is quoted by 99jc and Doggie Style, those comments are extremely disappointing and makes me think Cohen should have chosen someone else for HC. Moorhead is responsible for the lack of offensive production, and that is reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
I agree with that. I think that Joe is having a tough time dealing with the shot to his ego of his offense struggling against Good to Great SEC defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
The offense is talented enough (see the year prior) to avg more than 4 points per game vs ranked opponents. Croom in 2005 did better than that, 6.5 for that season vs ranked opponents.Quote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
This is what gets me. I don't mind the high expectations. In fact I welcome them. But when you tell Fitz he's gonna win the Heisman and other players that they need to know the ring sizes and none of that happens, you can't go back and say we've sucked our whole history and it's going to take some time.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I took it as “wtf do y’all know about winning championships, sit down and stfu!” Did I take it the wron way?
Except that:
We won the SEC West already
Were ranked #1 in the Playoff Polls for 6 weeks
And have been a contender for the SEC pretty much every season for the past 8 save maybe 2 or 3.
Hes' right, though, we haven't won the SEC Champ yet so there's that. Guess poor ol Mittittipi Tate don't kno nuthin bout no footbal
Y'all always talking about Dan would've done this or that. He's just bringing some Dan condescension to the fans to make them feel good.
You sure as hell can when your ass shoulders the blame like he has. He's not gonna come in and say well I hope to be mediocre and compete in most games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggie_Style
You should be ashamed for thinking he really meant that. I sure as hell never thought it.
This part has to be a joke, right? Mullen finished above .500 in the SEC exactly once in 9 years in the 2014 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
SEC record by season:
2010: 4-4
2011: 2-6
2012: 4-4
2013: 3-5
2014: 6-2
2015: 4-4
2016: 3-5
2017: 4-4
Please point out to me the 5 to 6 seasons out of the last 8 where we were in contention for the SEC. Out of those 8 seasons, assuming Joe wins the last 2, he will have matched Mullen's conference record in 4 of the 8 seasons and exceeded Mullen's record in 3 of the 8. I'm not overly thrilled with Joe or this season, but at least be honest.
ETA: not even putting in 2009 since it was a monumental effort to do as well as he did overcoming Croom.
I feel like I am in a time loope with the Coach 34 vs Stands.
How about he just give coach speak like the other 99% of coaches out there? Saban, urban, Sean Payton, belichick, etc never talk that sheet joe did in the offseason, and they can actually back it up... Payton only sometimes lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I'm in 100% agreement. I would have preferred he didn't say it. But since he did, we judge him on what he's done since. He's owned up that it's his fault. That is refreshing and makes me respect him more.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You're probably right. A lot of us State fans are naive, and should be ashamed for believing he really meant what he said. We also shouldn't have believed him when he said he thought we had enough talent to get to Atlanta at the beginning of the season. Yeah, reality is reality. We should have known better.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Our new logo: "Championship standard... well, sort of."
Managing expectations with coach speak only matters to the weak minded mob. The irony is that the bravado coming in WAS coach speak to instill confidence. Doing otherwise and getting this result would have made folks like you feel even worse - "He doesn't have the confidence to coach in this league, he was beat the minute he showed up."Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I just want to know what you guys would have preferred. If I'm drumming up some emotion and trying to get buy in I'm not walking in saying well we are going to work diligently and continue improvement and potentially try and be a competitor. Boring as hell. Come in balls on fire. If it doesn't happen own that shit and move forward and contiinue to improve and work towards being a competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by NCDawg
Isn't he now "managing expectations" with these comments? He looks like a fool running his mouth and then backtracking.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
So many upset because they bought into very unrealistic expectations and media pumping sunshine. Is Moorhead supposed to apologize because he wanted to build confidence in his players to build support going into a new job? That is all on you who actually thought we'd just waltz right in and already printed the SEC champ t-shirts.
It shouldn't be this big of a shocker how this season turned out. Especially as a State fan. Nothing will ever be easy for us. Yeah I expected a little better and to beat UK and UF but there was always a chance we shat the bed. Unfortunately we did.
Sucks that some of you already had your seat picked out in ATL. Again, there is absolutely no one else to blame except yourself. If you argue with that you are in denial. Plain and simple.
This made me laugh!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
This is correct. Mullen is a master at manipulating the fanbase (MSU's and Florida's) to his way of thinking. He did it for years here, to the point, that posters on this site firmly believe we'd be 10-0 or 9-1 right now if he was the coach. He has the Florida fanbase thinking their lucky to have him now because he inherited a rag tag bunch of players at UF (which is not the case) and overachieved this year (offense under him has improved).Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg
Moorhead is refreshing because he doesn't "coach speak" nearly as much as Mullen does. The issue at hand is that we have a fanbase that thrives on believing everything that comes out of the coach's mouth and takes it as gospel truth.
Yes, totally our fault. What made us think we should average more than 4 points a game against Kentucky, LSU, Florida, and Alabama? I mean, more than one touchdown in those 4 SEC games combined is really asking a lot!Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
These comments cause me to lose a lot of respect for Joe. What happened to no one rises to low expectations.
Surely this type of clumsy public comment does not aid recruiting.
I think this is a reaction to what he is hearing from critics and he needs to grow a thicker skin.
#webelieve
Shit happens. I went to school when this guy was our coach so im not really bothered.
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