What is Moorehead?s strategy on offense Saturday

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He is going to run his offense. I think we will have success running the ball early just like we did last year for the entire game. Until last year bama could stop our running game without loading the box. They could not last year and will not this year either, so once they load the box we will have to hit some shots down field. Hopefully we can get an early lead before they figure out that they have to load up the box to stop us. This game is entirely on Fitz making quick and correct reads and the OL holding blocks long enough in pass pro to let him make a decision in the pocket. Not really scared of them defensively until we have to throw the ball. That is when Fitz has gone full retard on the road.

He's not going to run HIS offense. We don't have the players to do that. He's going to do what he's done the last two games. Basically the zone read with some simplified RPOs from his offense and probably a new wrinkle or two here and there. If we come out trying to throw the ball around, we're getting killed. We don't have the ability to do that. But we're getting killed either way if the defense doesn't score and somewhat shut down AL.

I'd say go with ball control and try to shorten the game as much as possible. If we get in a track meet it gets ugly quick.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

He is going to run his offense. I think we will have success running the ball early just like we did last year for the entire game. Until last year bama could stop our running game without loading the box. They could not last year and will not this year either, so once they load the box we will have to hit some shots down field. Hopefully we can get an early lead before they figure out that they have to load up the box to stop us. This game is entirely on Fitz making quick and correct reads and the OL holding blocks long enough in pass pro to let him make a decision in the pocket. Not really scared of them defensively until we have to throw the ball. That is when Fitz has gone full retard on the road.

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Bama was very thin at LB last year due to injuries. I think they have some banged up guys in the secondary this year, but their health overall is good - so I don't look at last year for any comparisons.

The key will be can our Oline block well enough to move the ball and Fitz maintain proper mechanics and not sling it off his back foot.

Our secondary will be tested and I'm scared of the result. They have shown a tendency to get lost at times and you can't do that against this NFL receiving core. They don't drop passes and they all run like gazelles.

I'd feel better about us covering the spread if this game was at home. We haven't shown to be a good team on the road.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I'd say go with ball control and try to shorten the game as much as possible. If we get in a track meet it gets ugly quick.

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I totally understand that, and you are correct. However, that gives us no chance to win. That was mullins strategy the past 9 years. We gotta take some shots like the past two games and run some motion like we did against Auburn. If we want to have a chance to win, we gotta really mix it up. When that doesn't work, yes it will get ugly.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I totally understand that, and you are correct. However, that gives us no chance to win. That was mullins strategy the past 9 years. We gotta take some shots like the past two games and run some motion like we did against Auburn. If we want to have a chance to win, we gotta really mix it up. When that doesn't work, yes it will get ugly.

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This. You can't beat Bama without explosive plays.

Plus with Bama being healthy in the front 7 this year, we won't be able to run it like last year.

Hope they go for it on 4th and goal and we intercept the ball and return it for the Td/

I think he needs to watch the 2016 game to see what not to do and then watch the 2017 game to see what to do up until middle ways through the 4th.

Shorten the game by running clock.
Be successful in staying on schedule with the yard markers. (avoid the negative plays)
Take your shots when given the opportunity. (even with the group of current WR's)
Make Tua as uncomfortable as possible. (Hit him when given the opportunity)
CAN NOT LET ANYONE GET BEHIND YOU ON D! (Abrams and McLaurin must be disciplined)

That gives State at least a chance to make it a game....

If Joe plays conservative and just try's to grind it out, it gives State zero chance.

Either way..... HAILSTATE!

I've already got the Makers lined up for Saturday. I'm skipping the beer. So I'm taking some chances to try to get this win.

I'd run a hail mary offense

Dead serious. Just drop back, roll out & bomb that bit&* every play.

If you did that 30 times, you'd catch at least 4, right?

Here is the Hail Mary completion % for those interested. Not bad.....

https://cougarstats.files.wordpress...._mary_atts.png

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'd run a hail mary offense

Dead serious. Just drop back, roll out & bomb that bit&* every play.

If you did that 30 times, you'd catch at least 4, right?

Here is the Hail Mary completion % for those interested. Not bad.....

https://cougarstats.files.wordpress...._mary_atts.png

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Fitz would throw them out of the endzone.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Fitz would throw them out of the endzone.

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True. Scratch my plan

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I'd say go with ball control and try to shorten the game as much as possible. If we get in a track meet it gets ugly quick.

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I second this allegation

Stating the obvious, It's the same as it ever was in most SEC games...

1) RTDB! ... even better than last year... think 4-5 YPC, minimum.
2) Stop the run! If Bammer RBs are able to gash the MSU D like last year, Tua will be able to take advantage whereas Hurts wasn't...
3) Closely related to 1 & 2... Duplicate the success y'all had last year on 3rd Downs (on both sides of the ball)... That was the key last year, IMO.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I'd run a hail mary offense

Dead serious. Just drop back, roll out & bomb that bit&* every play.

If you did that 30 times, you'd catch at least 4, right?

Here is the Hail Mary completion % for those interested. Not bad.....

https://cougarstats.files.wordpress...._mary_atts.png

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ahhhh, the vaunted "Ole Miss Attack"... that should be "Plan B", I think... LOL

+1

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Stating the obvious, It's the same as it ever was in most SEC games...

1) RTDB! ... even better than last year... think 4-5 YPC, minimum.
2) Stop the run! If Bammer RBs are able to gash the MSU D like last year, Tua will be able to take advantage whereas Hurts wasn't...
3) Closely related to 1 & 2... Duplicate the success y'all had last year on 3rd Downs (on both sides of the ball)... That was the key last year, IMO.

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See bolded. This year, will Tua have the advantage of his WRs being able to run out of bounds and come back in to catch the ball like Hurts did last year????

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

See bolded. This year, will Tua have the advantage of his WRs being able to run out of bounds and come back in to catch the ball like Hurts did last year????

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Won't be necessary this year... I'm saving that ref payoff money to make certain Clemson isn't allowed to to pick our DBs in the CFPC.*

So the big question is how gimpy are the Knees?

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Originally Posted by parabrave

So the big question is how gimpy are the Knees?

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Tua says he's "fine"... hasn't been addressed in the "injury report"...

Only injury stuff I've been able to glean is that Ruggs (WR) and Najee (RB) are good... Devonta (WR) is better... Hurts is still gimpy...

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

Bama was very thin at LB last year due to injuries. I think they have some banged up guys in the secondary this year, but their health overall is good - so I don't look at last year for any comparisons.

The key will be can our Oline block well enough to move the ball and Fitz maintain proper mechanics and not sling it off his back foot.

Our secondary will be tested and I'm scared of the result. They have shown a tendency to get lost at times and you can't do that against this NFL receiving core. They don't drop passes and they all run like gazelles.

I'd feel better about us covering the spread if this game was at home. We haven't shown to be a good team on the road.

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Their defensive line got pushed around up front last year. We knocked them off the ball. Go rewatch the game. Even McElroy was talking about how it was the DL and not the backers that were getting pushed around.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

He's not going to run HIS offense. We don't have the players to do that. He's going to do what he's done the last two games. Basically the zone read with some simplified RPOs from his offense and probably a new wrinkle or two here and there. If we come out trying to throw the ball around, we're getting killed. We don't have the ability to do that. But we're getting killed either way if the defense doesn't score and somewhat shut down AL.

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Well, as close to his offense as he can get with this personnel. Not the Auburn/LSU offense he ran. It will be like the last 2 games. He has to throw the ball some if we have any chance. Running it 75 % of the time is forfeiting the game.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Their defensive line got pushed around up front last year. We knocked them off the ball. Go rewatch the game. Even McElroy was talking about how it was the DL and not the backers that were getting pushed around.

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Keith Holcomb got abused in that game.

MSU was comparably very productive running last year vs Bammer, but let's not keep parroting the misnomer that they "Ran at will", or "ran it down Bammer's throat"... unless we've different definitions of those phrases...

We need to be solid on defense and hope for the best on offense. Honestly, we need Bama to have an off game and make a lot of mistakes.

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Originally Posted by TUSK

Keith Holcomb got abused in that game.

MSU was comparably very productive running last year vs Bammer, but let's not keep parroting the misnomer that they "Ran at will", or "ran it down Bammer's throat"... unless we've different definitions of those phrases...

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Your entire front 7 got abused that game by Alabama standards. We kept the ball nearly the entire game. I do not know what you watched.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Your entire front 7 got abused that game by Alabama standards. We kept the ball nearly the entire game. I do not know what you watched.

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Agreed, that's why I said "comparably"... I was impressed.

We may do it again. We may not. That is the beauty of football, anyone can win, but only half do.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

This. You can't beat Bama without explosive plays.

Plus with Bama being healthy in the front 7 this year, we won't be able to run it like last year.

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Explosive plays are how OM beat them twice. Throw it downfield.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

He is going to run his offense. .

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Not a chance.

Last time we tried that was the Florida game. He has changed (for the good) the plays we run to benefit Fitz and the receivers. This offense we have been running since the Auburn game is all you will see this year unless they somehow get good at Joe's offense in bowl practices.

You are correct though. That offense does require the qb to make quick and correct reads, the OL to hold the blocks for 2.5-3 seconds and the wr's to know what route to run based on the coverage.

Fitz has a couple of RPO's, a couple of pass plays, and a few runs that he can choose from. But it is NOTHING like what Moorhead had at Fordham or Penn State. My guess is that we will only see that offense in it's true form next season in the first game.

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

Explosive plays are how OM beat them twice. Throw it downfield.

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You have too. It's the only way to beat them. You can't be scared to losing & have to take your shots.

We can win Saturday if we hire a few Ole Miss tacklers for a few plays

Try to go 60 minutes without shitting his pants on national television**

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Not a chance.

Last time we tried that was the Florida game. He has changed (for the good) the plays we run to benefit Fitz and the receivers. This offense we have been running since the Auburn game is all you will see this year unless they somehow get good at Joe's offense in bowl practices.

You are correct though. That offense does require the qb to make quick and correct reads, the OL to hold the blocks for 2.5-3 seconds and the wr's to know what route to run based on the coverage.

Fitz has a couple of RPO's, a couple of pass plays, and a few runs that he can choose from. But it is NOTHING like what Moorhead had at Fordham or Penn State. My guess is that we will only see that offense in it's true form next season in the first game.

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We have run the same plays all year minus the Auburn and LSU game (with the exception of a few wrinkles for each opponent). We are in no way running the same offense we ran against Auburn and LSU. That was qb left and qb right 40 thousand times a game. We lit up a G5 team in La Tech and an SEC team with a pass defense ranked 100 in ATM. The offense was the same as it was every other game minus auburn and LSU . The competition level was different so the execution was higher.

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I totally understand that, and you are correct. However, that gives us no chance to win. That was mullins strategy the past 9 years. We gotta take some shots like the past two games and run some motion like we did against Auburn. If we want to have a chance to win, we gotta really mix it up. When that doesn't work, yes it will get ugly.

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It's the only chance we have to win.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

This. You can't beat Bama without explosive plays.

Plus with Bama being healthy in the front 7 this year, we won't be able to run it like last year.

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If we can't, we get beat, bad.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

We have run the same plays all year minus the Auburn and LSU game (with the exception of a few wrinkles for each opponent). We are in no way running the same offense we ran against Auburn and LSU. That was qb left and qb right 40 thousand times a game. We lit up a G5 team in La Tech and an SEC team with a pass defense ranked 100 in ATM. The offense was the same as it was every other game minus auburn and LSU . The competition level was different so the execution was higher.

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Are you assuming that Fitz was just running a static play in Auburn and LSUgames? He has a choice on each play either way. The difference in the games pre and post Florida is that the construct formation and the routes (plays) have been severely limited by Moorhead. But that didn?t prevent Fitz from attempting to call his own number in the LSU game to make up for the interceptions.

I promise you, this offense is in NO way what Joe was trying to implement when he got here and right up to the final whistle of the Florida game. Fitz just doesn?t get it and neither do the Wr?s.

What we are watching now is something essentially whipped up to take advantage of what we can do. Bama is probably going to catch on at half and stop it if not before.

But again, what you said is true in that if Fitz starts getting rid of the ball more quickly that means he?s at least attempting to do what Joes offense calls for.

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Originally Posted by gravedigger

Are you assuming that Fitz was just running a static play in Auburn and LSUgames? He has a choice on each play either way. The difference in the games pre and post Florida is that the construct formation and the routes (plays) have been severely limited by Moorhead. But that didn?t prevent Fitz from attempting to call his own number in the LSU game to make up for the interceptions.

I promise you, this offense is in NO way what Joe was trying to implement when he got here and right up to the final whistle of the Florida game. Fitz just doesn?t get it and neither do the Wr?s.

What we are watching now is something essentially whipped up to take advantage of what we can do. Bama is probably going to catch on at half and stop it if not before.

But again, what you said is true in that if Fitz starts getting rid of the ball more quickly that means he?s at least attempting to do what Joes offense calls for.

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We literally ran the exact same play 75 % of the LSU game. Fitz did not just decide he wanted to run the ball every single snap. Joe cut out a lot of RPO for that game and ran qb power. Other than the first few drives where he faked the power and had the chance to throw it the pass option was never even there. It was a straight nun call for most of that game. The offense is still not what he wants it to be but it is nowhere near as basic as it was against Auburn and LSU.