MSU In the Rankings

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11-04-2018, 12:15 PM
ShotgunDawg

MSU In the Rankings

Thought we could just condense everything in one thread:

ESPN FPI has MSU at #10 this morning. http://www.espn.com/college-football...cs/teamratings

Bill Connolly's S&P has MSU at #11 https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...s-2018-week-11

I always find it interesting how the coaches & AP polls differ so much from the formula based rankings. The AP & Coaches polls allow the win/loss records of mid-major teams & downtrodden blue bloods, influence their rankings.

Total offense - MSU is #56
Total defense - #6
Rushing defense - #18
Passing defense - #7
11-04-2018, 12:56 PM
99jc

You missed the most important stat. #1 in tds allowed. And basically tied for #1 with Clemson, ky, and UAb for total points allowed. We have given up 15 field goals.
11-04-2018, 01:03 PM
MetEdDawg

#15 in the coaches poll. Syracuse and BC passed us. I'm not shocked. That 3rd loss and the losses by the teams that beat us did us no favors yesterday.
11-04-2018, 01:06 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

#15 in the coaches poll. Syracuse and BC passed us. I'm not shocked. That 3rd loss and the losses by the teams that beat us did us no favors yesterday.

No shocked by the incompetence of the media at all. We'd go in dry on both those teams, but I guess win/loss record is all that matters to idiots
11-04-2018, 01:10 PM
Jack Lambert

The real poll comes out Tuesday and I suspect not 14th or better.
11-04-2018, 01:15 PM
MetEdDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

No shocked by the incompetence of the media at all. We'd go in dry on both those teams, but I guess win/loss record is all that matters to idiots

Coaches see that 3rd loss and just put a couple 2 loss teams ahead of us. It is unfortunate because you are right. We would beat the brakes off those 2 teams.
11-04-2018, 01:17 PM
Cooterpoot

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

#15 in the coaches poll. Syracuse and BC passed us. I'm not shocked. That 3rd loss and the losses by the teams that beat us did us no favors yesterday.

Propping up Clemson?s schedule in a terrible ACC. Clemson will smoke BC this week like Bama does us.
11-04-2018, 01:25 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Coaches see that 3rd loss and just put a couple 2 loss teams ahead of us. It is unfortunate because you are right. We would beat the brakes off those 2 teams.

BC is 30th in FPI & Syracuse is 40th
11-04-2018, 01:27 PM
Commercecomet24

31 of the 111 points we have given up came off turnovers so our defense has been even better than the stats. They've been unreal!
11-04-2018, 02:19 PM
Quaoarsking

18th in the AP Poll.

Utah State is 14th. Fresno State is 16th. Come on, voters.
11-04-2018, 02:33 PM
ShotgunDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

18th in the AP Poll.

Utah State is 14th. Fresno State is 16th. Come on, voters.

It's amazing these media guys graduated high school
11-04-2018, 02:45 PM
parabrave

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

The real poll comes out Tuesday and I suspect not 14th or better.

This all day. The AP and other polls are outdated and probably won't be around much longer.
11-04-2018, 03:00 PM
AROB44

We always go up in the polls the week before we play Bama. Guess it's the power of the Bama voters...
11-04-2018, 03:09 PM
West Tn Dawg

I'm expecting 13 come Tuesday.
11-04-2018, 03:12 PM
Commercecomet24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

18th in the AP Poll.

Utah State is 14th. Fresno State is 16th. Come on, voters.

That's laughable geez
11-04-2018, 06:10 PM
Dawgfan77

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Originally Posted by West Tn Dawg

I'm expecting 13 come Tuesday.

I am as well. It?s really the only poll that matters. Fact remains we have 3 losses and are 25 point dogs this weekend
11-04-2018, 06:52 PM
LC Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by West Tn Dawg

I'm expecting 13 come Tuesday.

John Bond's number. That's a good omen.
11-04-2018, 08:30 PM
Todd4State

I just hope that losing to Alabama doesn't kill us in the BCS poll. It may not. I'm just used to baseball RPI where weird things happen from game to game.
11-04-2018, 08:36 PM
parabrave

Look if we go 8-4 we still go to Nashville or the equivalent. LSU gonna go Citrus and KY gonna get outback. Heck Dans going back to Jacksonville to get Spurrier to say you can't spell Gator without a Mullen in it.
11-04-2018, 08:40 PM
TUSK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

I just hope that losing to Alabama doesn't kill us in the BCS poll. It may not. I'm just used to baseball RPI where weird things happen from game to game.

A close loss won't hurt much, if at all, IMO... A 4th loss, however, may be hard for some to overlook...
11-04-2018, 08:44 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by TUSK

A close loss won't hurt much, if at all, IMO... A 4th loss, however, may be hard for some to overlook...

It will be hard to find a team with four more quality losses than us.
11-04-2018, 08:45 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by parabrave

Look if we go 8-4 we still go to Nashville or the equivalent. LSU gonna go Citrus and KY gonna get outback. Heck Dans going back to Jacksonville to get Spurrier to say you can't spell Gator without a Mullen in it.

Not if both win out.

I think the only way we go to the Music City Bowl or equivalent is to win seven games or less.
11-04-2018, 08:46 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It will be hard to find a team with four more quality losses than us.

No, it'll be impossible.

There will be a good many 2 & 3 loss teams with shitty losses that will get the benefit of the doubt, though.
11-04-2018, 09:57 PM
parabrave

LSU has Arky, TAM and Rice left. They are going to win out to finish with 2 losses. Kentucky has TENN, Middle Tenn and Louisville left they should win out to finish with 2 losses. LSU might go to a NY6 bowl but that depends how UGA finishes. Mullen should end up with 3 losses. This is probably the Florida games setup and if LSU goes to a NY6 we would go to the GATA Bowl
11-04-2018, 10:21 PM
confucius say

I think Lsu loses at Aggie and I think Ky loses at TN.

Let's just win out and get a NY6!!
11-04-2018, 10:29 PM
the_real_MSU_is_us

Utah State, Fresno State, BC, etc get high in the AP poll not because anyone actually thinks they're good, but because the AP voters feel forced to go by W-L. IF they look at a 1 loss bad G5 team and say "nah, I'm not putting you top 20" they'll get accused of bias, and all the G5 fans will scream that the system is rigged for the P5. Then if that G5 team does turn out to be legit, that voter gets roasted again. OR, he an take the easy way out and drop the G5 team when they get the bad loss we all knew was coming. It's about optics
11-04-2018, 11:22 PM
msstate7

Let's say the plsyofff poll has us 12th and we lose to bama by 25 points, where do we fall? We won't be able to rise much beating om and ark
11-04-2018, 11:33 PM
TUSK

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Let's say the plsyofff poll has us 12th and we lose to bama by 25 points, where do we fall? We won't be able to rise much beating om and ark

If y'all keep it under 4 scores, on the road.... 5-6 spots, IMO... LSU dropped from 3rd to 9th....

(not that past results are indicative of future gains)
11-05-2018, 09:23 AM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg

Coaches see that 3rd loss and just put a couple 2 loss teams ahead of us. It is unfortunate because you are right. We would beat the brakes off those 2 teams.

If they watched our losses, I can't blame them. We just looked like garbage. I'm still skeptical that we can move the ball against a good defense and I don't think we'll get a chance to find out the rest of this year unless it's in a bowl game.
11-05-2018, 09:32 AM
Johnson85

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

Not if both win out.

I think the only way we go to the Music City Bowl or equivalent is to win seven games or less.

We are almost guaranteed to go to the Music City Bowl or equivalent if we don't win 9 games.

Bama, UGA, LSU, UK, and Florida all have better resumes than us, and they're not all going to make a NY6 Bowl. Even if Bama, UGA, LSU, and UK make a NY6 bowl (which i think would tie the record or maybe set the record for most teams from one conference in NY6 bowls), Florida is going to finish with 8 or 9 wins and have a win over us in Starkville. I don't think there's any way the Citrus is going to pass over Florida for us when they have a win in Starkville and the same or better record. So we are going to be in a Pool of 6 bowl unless we win out. I suspect the Liberty is really going to push for us.
11-05-2018, 10:01 AM
parabrave

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnson85

We are almost guaranteed to go to the Music City Bowl or equivalent if we don't win 9 games.

Bama, UGA, LSU, UK, and Florida all have better resumes than us, and they're not all going to make a NY6 Bowl. Even if Bama, UGA, LSU, and UK make a NY6 bowl (which i think would tie the record or maybe set the record for most teams from one conference in NY6 bowls), Florida is going to finish with 8 or 9 wins and have a win over us in Starkville. I don't think there's any way the Citrus is going to pass over Florida for us when they have a win in Starkville and the same or better record. So we are going to be in a Pool of 6 bowl unless we win out. I suspect the Liberty is really going to push for us.

Don't forget about Aubbie. If they somehow knock off UGA and lose to Bama that leaves them with 4 losses also. That moves UGA probably out of a NY6 and us further down the line.
11-05-2018, 11:15 AM
LC Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnson85

If they watched our losses, I can't blame them. We just looked like garbage. I'm still skeptical that we can move the ball against a good defense and I don't think we'll get a chance to find out the rest of this year unless it's in a bowl game.

The CFP committee watches the games and they had us ranked higher than AP or the coaches.
11-05-2018, 11:17 AM
msstate7

Quote:

Originally Posted by LC Dawg

The CFP committee watches the games and they had us ranked higher than AP or the coaches.

Be interesting to see if that continues after all 3 of our losses lost this week... 3 blow outs too and all at home
11-05-2018, 11:36 AM
Johnson85

Quote:

Originally Posted by parabrave

Don't forget about Aubbie. If they somehow knock off UGA and lose to Bama that leaves them with 4 losses also. That moves UGA probably out of a NY6 and us further down the line.

It moves us further down, but we're not dropping out of the Pool of 6. It will just change some of the jockeying by the bowls in the pool of 6.
11-05-2018, 12:57 PM
LC Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by msstate7

Be interesting to see if that continues after all 3 of our losses lost this week... 3 blow outs too and all at home

I'm curious to see that too. La Tech is not a bad team so I think that helps us.
11-05-2018, 01:03 PM
sleepy dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by LC Dawg

I'm curious to see that too. La Tech is not a bad team so I think that helps us.

If we're using Sagarin to say we're good, then Sagarin has them at 94, so they are bad.
11-05-2018, 01:35 PM
LC Dawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy dawg

If we're using Sagarin to say we're good, then Sagarin has them at 94, so they are bad.

If we're using Sagarin then we're #11 so I'm good with that.
11-05-2018, 01:42 PM
MedDawg

#12 in the computer composite ranking of nearly every computer poll with a high of #6 and a low of #35 https://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare.htm
11-05-2018, 01:48 PM
Dawgology

Basically if we would have managed to win just one of LSU, FL, or KY we would be sitting pretty even with a loss to Bama. I agree...4 losses is hard to overlook. IF we manage to get ranked 15 or higher this week I think we fall to proabably 24/25 with a loss to Bama. Maybe a chance to move up to 21/22 in the last two weeks with wins over ARK and UM and some losses in teams ranked ahead of us. With a bowl win to finish the season I think we would move into the top 20 as our final ranking. This needs to happen.

Now...if we were to do the unthinkable and grab a win against Bama I think we shoot into the top 10 real fast. Then we just have to close out the season with a real shot at 9 wins and a NY6 bowl.

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