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We want the team to rebound, time for us to rebound as well.
We will give this team a packed rowdy house Saturday night. The team needs to take care of their business
Amen. Rep Given
That's the most puzzling thing to me- it seems like we have had so many fans just jump off the bandwagon immediately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Because that was the worst we have looked in 9 years and in 7 of those 9 years the guy leading the program didnt even wanna be here by the end of the season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So hell yeah people are concerned. Every right to be. UK is not better than us and we lost by 21 points. We have the chance to have a special season nobody wants to see it wasted by trying to outsmart everyone and not being who we are.
He gets a mulligan its not fair for him not to get one. America is the land of 2nd chances
Nobody has jumped off the bandwagon but Moorhead shit the bed Saturday. All I can say is I was in Manhattan and Lexington I will be in Starkvegas the next 2 weekends. If we lose to Fla and Auburn Moorhead is toast. This team is good but we are a running team and he better damn well realize it. I just don't know if he is a good head coach or not but the next 2 games will define him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Well KY gave us the example of how to be loud throughout the game. They were damn loud on tv. A lot of times all I hear at Davis Wade is just cowbells ringing and no one yelling. It's loud....but if we can yell and ring the bells at the same time.....it can be deafening. We gotta welcome Felipe Franks with a good dose of noise and several DL greeting him facemask to facemask. Don Merlin is used to it and can only tell his players what it's like.....but I dont think any of them have ever played here in their careers.
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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
You two are melting really hard. It was 14-7 with 8 minutes to go vs what may end up being dubbed Kentucky's best team in the last 50 years. It was also raining for the entire game and on the road. Our QB played like crap again on the road and our soph LT had the worst game of his career with just about everyone else on the OL not much better than him.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
We looked every bit of that bad against Georgia and Auburn last year, not to mention Alabama 2016, South Alabama 2016, Arkansas 2016 and even though we won- Samford 2016 was bad too. I think we have some fans that have forgotten about that because we tried to run the ball in those games.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
We lost because our offensive line was horrible moreso than anything else. I can't sit here and believe that we could have run the ball on them with our line playing like that. Yeah- maybe we could have done a couple of things to band aid it for a little while but I feel pretty confident that the odds of UK adjusting shortly thereafter are pretty high.
People can talk about how we have a chance to have a special season but the fact of the matter is years of poor offensive line recruiting and WR recruiting is hurting us. If we had upperclass talent and depth on the o-line like we had on the d-line this year and can have that at the same time- odds of being special increase quite a bit.
Kentuckys best team in 50 years is not better than us (def not 21 pts better) and they cant sniff Bama or UGA. And if we are going to do what we thought we could do this year it was one we had no business losing. If we are going to do what we thought we could do we have to compete with Bama. And UK cant compete with them. They just beat us by 21.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Thats no melt. That is facts.
We had 0 chance vs Bama in 16 and no one expected anything different that what happened. Arkansas in 16 had nothing to do with not running the ball. We couldnt stop a nosebleed bc Mullen wanted to be part DC and HC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I will give you UGA, Auburn in 17 and USA and Samford those were all shit performances. Samford was alot like Arkansas that year.
We could have ran the ball better than what we did but we didnt commit to it. All 5 of those OL's are probably NFL guys and 2 of them have a chance to go high in the draft. They didnt become bad players over night.
We beat them 45-7 with mainly the same OL and QB. And defense. And we got better at WR than we were a year ago. No excuses
At no point in time have I ever thought we could compete with Bama or Georgia this year. Nobody can. Except Bama and Georgia. We need Saban to retire as does the entire rest of college football before Alabama can maybe start coming back to the rest of the pack some. That's just reality dude. Saban has built a monster dynasty and he keeps improving them at a faster rate than we can improve ourselves. Kentucky is also an improved program. It's taken Stoops 6 years but he's gotten it done. Kudos to them for sticking with him and to Stoops for building Kentucky into a formidable SEC East program. They have a realistic chance to go 11-1 this year. That ass whooping we just took needs to permanently change the way you think of Kentucky football under Stoops moving forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I've just realized that this is going to be a bumpy ride through November as Moorhead learns how to be a head coach. He said all the right things in the press conference, but will that translate to the field Saturday? I have a hard time believing the problems we have can be fixed in one week, but we shall see. The penalties have not been fixed through 4 games.
I actually bought the hype this year, and I've never done that with a football team before. Even when we had Dak, I never fully bought into the hype. I knew the bottom would fall out at some point. This year, I bought into it. Never again. It's just so hard to dig a program out of the gutter like Mullen did that it would be catastrophic to backslide.
Post like this are funny to me. I guess some people just have the personality or past experiences they are afraid to get hurt. If that's you I'm sorry. But come on - you learn from adversity. We have hit adversity. People don't stay the same and neither do football teams. MSU's coaching staff and players will learn from this loss and improve. They may not fix everything this week, but hopefully they will fix enough to win. By November this will not be the same team you see in September. And you'll forget all about it because that's what happens to prisoners of the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg2003
We ( supposedly) have the oat talent w?ve wver has .this is the team e?ve waited on.
Moorhead has one job - Don?t screw it up.
We lose at Kentucky and look like crap. That is screwing it up.
We aren?t rebuilding... t hat happens next year.
This is all my concern. If we play like that with these players, what are we gonna do with lesser players?
Also we didn?t hire him thinking ?he needs time to get his players here?. We hired him to take th most talented team we?ve ever had and maximize their potential.
Losing to Kentucky is not doing that.
Losing to Kentucky sucked. The way we lost sucked worse. But all the goals for the season can still be accomplished, granted we will have to run the table or close to it. How about we wait to see how Moorhead and the team respond before totally freaking out. If we lose to Florida, then sure freak out. It seems like a lot of wasted energy freaking out this week if we end up beating Florida and then the freak out is on hold. And then we beat Auburn and the freak out is called off. Just like the completion percentage freak out after Week 2 went away after week 3.
1. UGA and AU were pretty elite teams last year. AU was a beast at home and UGA was the 2nd best team in America. Kentucky isn't that good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
2. Our OL talent didn't suddenly suck. This same line dominated KY last year. This basically same team dominated them.
3. We looked atrocious. It wasn't simply getting beat or having less talent. It's was a total coaching clinic by KY.
DW will be packed out and it'll be pretty crazy anyway. If we do that shit again this week, it's over for the fans and the staff. People can try to sugar coat it, but last week was as ugly as I've seen in a long time.
Nah dude, last week was on Mullen. Moorhead just has nothing to work with**Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We played extremely poorly in the rain. We had 201 yards of offense. Kentucky only had 300 yards of offense. It was a very ugly game. We had almost as many penalty yards as we did offense. It was just a total shit show in the rain for us. I keep mentioning the rain for a reason. It melted us. WR's couldn't catch, QB couldn't throw, RB's couldn't run, OL couldn't block and our damn coaches couldn't get a play called in less than 25 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Rain predicted Saturday morning and Sunday AM. If rain is an auto loss, hope it stays clear. Personally, I think our problems Saturday were a little deeper than precipitationQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Rain on the road is an auto loss with this QB. Rain at home I think we can over come. We do have a lot of other problems though too.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The rain had nothing to do with the poor coaching or OL blocking. Nothing. KY hasn't had a passing game all year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
It did though. We melted into nothing resembling a football team while standing in rain for 4 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
This should have been our best team in the last 50 years, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Then our coaches suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Then our coaches suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Crazy to think that UK in the exact same rain we did. What's your point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I don't think our coaches suck I think they got thrown into the deep end on the road in the rain in their very first SEC game and didn't handle it well. It's how they react to getting their asses handed to them that determines if they suck or not not the initial ass kicking. Everyone has adversity and setbacks in life it's how you deal with it that determines you.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Stoops is in year 6 as a SEC head coach. He's had many an ass beating. He's molded his team and himself into a much better program than when he found it do in large part to those ass beatings. Moorhead just got his first one. Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater just cause we are butthurt from our first setback with a brand new coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44
That's fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
But you said that playing on the road in the rain is an auto-loss with Fitzgerald. And if that's the case, then yes, our coaches suck.
I've never before seen a team or a fanbase say, 'Ahhh, it RAINED! What could we do?!' Rain happens. Weather happens. Good teams deal with it. Kentucky did.
Florida rebounded after a bad loss to OM when Tebow was there and went on to win the rest. While we have a LONG way to go it's not out of the realm of possibility. I'm not giving up on original dreams unless we lose to UF too. We still control our own destiny, but the margin of error is now 0.
No, we sucked. In every possible way we could suck, for the most part. Rain is a damn excuse. Ky played in it just like we did. It was a turf field, so footing wasn't an issue. We played on wet turf at Kstate. This team was completely unprepared and so were the coaches, but it wasn't because of the rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I agree with you on looking to the Florida game this week to see how we rebound.Quote:
Originally Posted by mparkerfd20
But in that 2008 game, Florida lost by 1 in a game in which they scored 30, put up 450 yards of offense, had 5 penalties, but lost 3 fumbles. It was sort of a fluky loss, they outplayed Ole Miss.
We got our butts kicked by a less talented team.
I think dreams of the west are out. My goal, although it's probably unrealistic at this point, is NY6 bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by mparkerfd20
If you want to make excuses for Moorhead then fine but UK is not very good and were behind us in every conceivable way going into the game but now they are a good team. It doesnt work like that. It doesnt happen overnight. UGA is going to kill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
My expectations are not to be ok, and neither were everybody elses including most importantly Moorhead's and the teams coming in. Saturday was absolutely unacceptable. The only reason they will finish with a good record is bc they are in the East.
What are you talking about? That has absolutely nothing to do with the excuse that you keep using about playing in rain as if it was an unbalanced playing field due to weather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Where did I say throw in the towel or get rid of the whole coaching staff or even one person on the staff? Or even blame some one in particular? I haven't posted one freak out post about our team because of this weekend. If anything, quite the opposite. I'm still all good with our coaching staff and think the major overreaction and ref / rain excuses make our fanbase look like sore losers that can't do anything but point a finger at some weak made up reason.
Take this weekend for what it was and move on. We got our asses whooped because we weren't mentally there and didn't make adjustments as needed to help ourselves out. It happens to the best of them and certainly isn't anything new to MSU.
If some of our players do in fact have the attitude of some that are crying the sky is falling after this weekend then this is going to be a long embarrassing season. Grow some and pick yourself up with your head up. We got beat. God knows I hope the players are nothing like a very large chunk of our fans that are on this site.
Where would you rank Fitzgerald as far as greatest all-time SEC QBs? He is about to hold the SEC rushing record but would you even put him in the top 50 or top 100 greatest SEC QBs ever? Name me one person on the planet that could magically turn Fitz into a top passing QB in the country in only 4 months since he just recovered from a broken ankle. I am trying really hard not to pile on Fitz here but you're making it very difficult. He was bad vs UK and it wasn't just his passing or lack of running. It was mainly how slowly he was managing the game and how poorly he was reading the defense and making decisions on the play to run based off of those reads.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Keep saying that until you believe it maybe. It happened despite of your opinion you keep trying to sell as a fact and it's a big L on our season. Maybe you can reference last years score and act like it actually means something now. Or cite how many starters were on a team that beat them last year. Or maybe how we've owned them in the last 50 years. Who cares, quit pointing to the past and look ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
I'm not giving up on JoMo or this team. We knew we would eventually face some adversity but I never thought it would be game 4 against Kentucky. Granted I was dead wrong about Kentucky and they are better than I thought. But a one dimensional Kentucky team (6 years under Stoops or not) should not be able utterly dismantle and embarrass a team with this much talent. 16 penalties, minimal adjustments on offense and defense, passing almost every first down in the rain with a QB who is really only effective passing when its opened up with the run, letting Kentucky players live rent free in our head all night, no emotion from JoMo when 4-5 atrocious penalties were called, ect. There were a laundry list of red flags in that game that can be corrected but are very concerning. I know its first year coach this, first year offense that, but this is a veteran team that looked like JSU last weekend. Jury is still out but I pray it was in fact a fluke night. There is no excuse to be that bad with the team we have this year
Kentucky would look like total shit too if their bad passing QB attempted 32 passes in 4 hours of rain. There's didn't. Ours did. The rain melted our offense into nothing functional whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by StateDawg44