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Wow.
overseas though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I'm sure that's a little disappointing, but that's really not a bad deal at all. His game is probably a pretty good fit in Europe, but I doubt he's going to be a superstar in any of the high paying leagues. Might as well start getting paid sooner rather than later. Go make low sixfigures with a lot of perks and hope he can scratch out a ten year career and get seven figures in the bank before has to do something else .Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Not surprising; it's hard enough for 2nd round picks to make rosters, let alone UFA's. He bound for overseas from the get go.
Does anybody think if he had listened to Howland from the get go that he would have more of a chance in the NBA? Or if he had came back and spent another year under Self? He seems like a guy that can shoot but peaked in high school.
He needed a lot of developmental work. All raw talent. He should have stayed with Howland, learned humility, and taken that development. If you only surround yourself with people who tell you how good you are, you'll never want to get better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
I am not sure he would have been a NBA starter but I think Howland could have gotten him to a bench 3 point specialist. I don't know if Malik would have accepted that was what he would be in the NBA. I think he saw Montae Ellis and thought he was that level.Quote:
Originally Posted by bostondawg
I think people like to romanticize the euro basketball player's life but it really isn't that easy and this is a daddy's boy from Jackson that we are talking about. He is gonna hate the **** outta living in Croatia or Russia or wherever it is then switching to another country in two years etc.. Newman isn't cut out for a life of travel in Europe. He should have kicked his handler and father to the curb 3 years ago.
His daddy saw dollar signs and thought his boy was another Kobe. His daddy screwed him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I don't think it really would have mattered. His issue is athleticism. He could have helped himself by committing to defense, but then he's still a 6-2 shooting guard that's a little on the unathletic side for the NBA. His best case scenario was probably a 3 pt specialist that plays his hard if not great D, but there are a lot of those players available who are more in the 6-5 to 6-7 range. Or alternatively find a good college coach willing to let him play the point and spend three years in college trying to develop into a pt guard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
Nope same path. Only difference is MSU fans would've loved him like we love Jamond Gordon, Charles Rhodes, Timmy Bowers, & all our other overseas alumni.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
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Originally Posted by Dawg61
Eurobasketball in the better leagues is still pretty good. China pays well too. It's certainly hard for some people to live in a different country, and it looks terrible compared to teh NBA life, but it's a hell of a lot better than coaching high school basketball or being a car salesman or whatever will be the alternative for most of these players. Much better to go make six figures and see the world while you can. The coaching and sales jobs will still be available when you're done and if you're smart you can come back with a good sized nest egg. If not set for life money, at least provide a supplement to a coaching salary that makes it a pretty good life.
Now if you are only good enough to be in the leagues where teams can't even be counted on to pay their players, then yes, that's a different ball game.
If this is the case, and it appears lots here say it is, then I sympathize with Malik. It would be different if Malik himself was the one making the bad decisions. Question though, Did Malik not make it due to lack of defensive effort? Anybody got any specifics on his strengths and weaknesses?Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
-Below average athleticism at the NBA levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
-Doesn't have a clear position - not athletic enough and doesn't handle well enough to play PG, too small for an NBA 2 (the ideal SG in the modern NBA is 6'6" 200-210)
-Mediocre defense
In order of importance in my opinion, although those three factors kind of play into each other. If he was a little bigger OR a plus athlete OR played great defense, he might have been able to stick as a 3 point specialist.
From everything I've seen and read the big issue was that he was a good athlete, but he wasn't elite as he was originally billed to be. There were rumors coming from the mcdonald AA game that he was out of his league there athletically.
To make up for that you have to be an incredible shooter, like a Reddick. He wasn't that either.
so as we saw in the NCAA tourney he had the ability to be a really, really good college player, but his size combined with his athleticism was always going to make it hard for him to make it in the NBA
Did you know that the women league in Europe pays more then WNBA? Not the case for men but I found that interesting. Also many of our women try to get to Europe in the off season to play and what is more crazy the highest paid women in their league are the Women from the WNBA. Just seem ass backwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Interesting - wonder if attendance is up there or if sponsorship is up or something. The WNBA just hasn't been able to sell itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Nick spoon is better player
I heard them talking about on the radio. I found the info here. This is seven years old so the numbers are probably different but the effect is the same. They were talking this a few weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
https://bizfluent.com/info-8131965-a...ll-player.html
He was coached by Ben Howland and Bill Self, two historically great coaches, and even they couldn’t get him NBA ready.
I don’t think Malik and Horatio have anyone to blame but themselves. It sure seemed like they thought it was all Howland’s fault two years ago. Clearly that wasn’t the truth.
Would be interested to know where the Euros to the women players are coming from. The WNBA is totally dependent on the NBA to keep it alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
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Originally Posted by Irondawg
Hell, Q is a better player..Quote:
Originally Posted by justwin
First off, Big Train and Little Train will go in denial, they want blame themselves but will continue to point figures until it's over which will be reality.
Actually this happens a lot now days, go watch travel ball baseball and the parents dream of their kid playing MLB. It's crazy but basketball and so call agents for kids has been out of whack a lot longer.
European Women Basketball League has been around a long time. I remember working basketball camps across the country and a few "European girls" being at camps as counselors and a few European coaches. They were way ahead of women basketball players back then. Pat Summit/Tn played a huge role in making basketball popular in the USA.
It's so crazy to me that one rule is the difference between Malik being a millionaire and him having to try and make a living in Europe. The one-and-done bit him badly
In an alternate universe, Malik just finished out his multi-year, multimillion dollar rookie contract after spending almost all of his time in the D-League, and would now be heading off to europe or China with either a heft nest egg or a lot of frivolous spending in his past.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Although maybe if a team had made that investment in him adn felt obligated to keep him in the D-league, he would been shocked into realizing he was a marginal player and spent the last three years focusing on his defense and shooting enough to be an NBA role player.
Sad part is when he gets older and realizes that his ole daddy was much to blame for the outcome of a once promising career.
Of course that to say if he hasn't already.
So maybe Horatio and Malik probably knew he was too short to play the # 2 so it was playing the #1 in the NBA or nothing I guess. Maybe that was there only route.
Not sure it really would have changed. If he showed poorly at the McD practices and then did poor in predraft camp he might not have been a first round pick. He never really got put under the microscope by the NBA while he was in HSQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I feel genuinely bad for him. I think he was one of these kids who is told they are so special, and he probably never had to work that hard to do well in high school. It all came naturally until he got to college and other kids were just as good. No one pushed him or held him to any standard in high school and then he has to play by the same rules as everyone else. The dad just enabled it the entire time. Most of these kids don't make, but they all want to think they're the exception. He was so sure of himself he didn't even get evaluated without an agent, which would be the smart thing to do.
I hate stories like this. Absolute shame.
I could understand leaving one school, but he was flat out dumb for leaving Kansas.
Yup, at least finish your degree. Leaving early doesn't work well for basketball players that aren't 1st round picks usually. Newman was hurt while with the Lakers too. He's just not very tough. Most aren't.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
$ can be made overseas and his handlers/family, posse will still get their %. Should have listened to Howland and improved his game at State.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
I think I read that the NBA helps finance the WNBA, other wise it would fold. I don't think there is interest/attendance to carry it otherwise. (I might be wrong about the NBA help).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
I think Dontae Jones has an opening for a chicken fry cook on his food truck in Nashville. Would be a good opp for Malik to start off at the bottom and work his way up to a management job.....maybe even get a truck of his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Dontae owns a food truck?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pit Bull
No, he was a chicken fry cook once, but the food truck....I made up. Actually can be a decent business if you know how to cook well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
How difficult is it to cook chicken.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pit Bull