Henderson does not deserve to be the HC of miss state. Even if we win the whole thing. He makes too many bone headed decisions. Tonight's loss was 100 percent on him.
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Henderson does not deserve to be the HC of miss state. Even if we win the whole thing. He makes too many bone headed decisions. Tonight's loss was 100 percent on him.
Our hitters say hold by beer... we had 2 hits the last 5 innings, and K'd with runner on 3rd and 1 out. This loss was a team loss from top down
They were throwing MLB guys at us. We pitch self we win. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And if Jake doesn't get picked off in the first, or if Allen puts a ball in play...Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Oh and y'all have really ran with all vandy relievers are mlb ready. Here's the era of the relievers tonight...
4.78
4.00
3.16
Good arms, yes. Unhittable, no
So what you’re saying is our pen shouldn’t hold a one run lead in the later innings even though we have one of the best middle reliever closers in the SEC. Henderson’s mistake was thinking Neff could get us 12 outs when he’s mainly been a matchup guy all year. We had a 3-2 lead in the eighth. 99% of coaches go to their closer right there. We have the only idiot 1% head coach who thinks a matchup guy can get you four innings. Truth is, you got that one out in the eighth and you had a great time to go out and get Neff with his confidence beaming and retired five straight batters. That triple was off a righty. Self would have ate him alive. You play to win the game there and you bring Self in with five outs to get to Omaha. Period. His coaching decisions have always perplexed me and tonight was no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I think our success is much more on our players and Gautreau than it is Henderson. Our pitching staff is ranked like 11th in the SEC and I don't think very many of our pitchers have progressed under him.
We've had a good run this year and keeping Henderson would be the "nice" thing to do.
But the reality is we are better off with someone else as our head coach. He hasn't recruited very many of our current pitchers and even if we did make him the coach with Gautreau as coach in waiting- his age and our weird coaching set-up would be used against us in recruiting. I think it also increases the odds that Gautreau would go somewhere else to be a head coach. Tulane has been pretty bad the past two years. Texas got burned in football with Will Muschamp as the coach in waiting so it's not unheard of.
TruthQuote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
His thinking I can almost guarantee you was that he wanted to save Self for game three if we needed him. It's basically what he has done all year. He basically gambled and lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
He was going to bring in McQuary before Self tonight too- based off of who was up in the bullpen.
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
He just needs to go. He’s a washed up old man who got lucky because our hitters have essentially been covering for him during this run. If we play this straight up instead of dumb ass shifts and we bring in our closer in the eighth, we are celebrating going to Omaha and win this game 3-1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Not just during this run- how about the entire year?Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
My rough estimate is Henderson alone has cost us 5-10 wins this year.
That’s an extremely conservative estimate. I think my last tally including this game was 12.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
You're such a dickhead when we lose a game. Sleep it off and let's win tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
This loss was a direct result of Henderson’s decisions with the bullpen period. I don’t see how that’s even debatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
There's like twenty pages of bitching in the game thread over it already. Sometimes there's a thing called too much whining.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
LOL. Period.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
He has said as much before, I believe it was vs OU. Something along the lines of "we are trying to win a series not a game". That sounds fine and all, but if the game is there you gotta take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Cohen knows he can’t hire Gary. Gary played for game three instead of playing to win game 2. He did the same thing vs OK basically. Said Self couldn’t get that many outs. Then, next time he gets that many. Our pitching sucks. Yet, Gary decided Billingsley is a better option in game 3 than Self is for 5 outs. No way we win today. Billingsley won’t last 4 innings. Then, you’re throw France who he burned Friday and Self. Gordon too. He burned him Friday. We went all in Friday then gave up on Saturday.
I love Jake but as I've said many times he is a terrible base runner. He's like a cowboy out on the bases and makes a lot of foolish outs. Gets picked off a lot and gets thrown out a lot. I actually missed the early part of the game but not surprised he cost us an out on the bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Solid statement. +1Quote:
Originally Posted by MarketingBully
Well to be fair, I think he got McQuary up when they tied it. No need going to self then. It was too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
McQ was already up before they tied it. Self was sitting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bdawg
Ok. I thought the tv only showed him getting up after they tied it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I've railed Henderson as much as anyone but we lost the game in the first 4 innings when we only got 3 runs. Raby was absolute trash last night and we just slept walked on offense. I get Self not coming in was bad but our offense lost that game in the first hour.
Neff was dealing last night, he threw one bad pitch, gotta give the credit to the hitter for taking advantage.
Two exciting games and tonight should be the third.
Not sure which team feels the pressure the most tonight but I do think we may have a slight advantage on pressure cause it's been this way all year long.
I did the math on this. It's been 7 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Well thanks for that. I now feel all warm and fuzzy. Some of y'all are just over the top. And,you are the King.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
If he wins it all then his decisions were not boneheaded, by definition. Listen to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
You are really too emotionally invested to see that we have been winning in spite of Henderson, not because of Henderson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
We think Self would have shut them down but we don't know for sure. You are correct our offense lost this game. We would have scored another run if the ball doesn't hit the pitcher and go straight to the SS. Tanner failed to come through. Blaming Henderson for every loss but not giving him an ounce of credit for the wins is just stupid. Baseball is a weird game, line drives are caught and bloopers fall for hits, sometimes luck is huge and it is no ones fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Bullshit once againQuote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Every win = thank you, GautreauQuote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Every loss = thank you, Henderson
It really is crazy
Right somebody has been hitting them. Luke did ok, when Luke is our offense, then someone is not doing their job/.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well, it can be "crazy" and true; they are not mutually exclusive qualifiers.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm far from a Henderson fan but last night was not on him IMO.
No one has won a SR game yet with less than 4 runs. We are the only team to lose a SR game and only give up 4 runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
That's hilarious. I'm not emotionally invested in baseball at all. I Didn't even watch the end of the game. In fact I haven't watched a whole game in the whole tourny. It's just college baseball. If he wins it all he is the next coach. If he wins tonight he is in all probability the next coach. He may already be. If you look at it objectively without any prejudices, he has done a heck of a job. I don't care one way or another but that's my opinion. It's worth the paper I wrote it on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
We had 2 hot shots up the middle that ricocheted off the pitcher right to the shortstop.
That was 2 runs.
Henderson is not at fault.
James wasn't sharp last night. Looked nervous. He let 2 runs in one that was credited to him. Maybe we should of gone to Neff instead of James and then went to Denver. Idk it's over with now. Hopefully Vandy spent a little bit of their bullpen mojo last night. ERAs of the bullpen say Vandy can't keep this bullpen magic going much longer. 20 straight innings with only 2 runs allowed is ridiculous. Their bullpen collectively is closer to a 4 ERA not 1.
Not only that but seeing their relivers may help today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Should be a fun game tonight. Two evenly matched teams.