Rowdy has had some defensive issues and he had just made the last out in the eighth .... shouldn?t he have been replaced by Poole who is a solid defensive player?
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Rowdy has had some defensive issues and he had just made the last out in the eighth .... shouldn?t he have been replaced by Poole who is a solid defensive player?
Replacing catcher saves 4-5 runs alone last night.
Ball hit about 8-10 feet up the wall. It would have been a hell of a play for him to make. And if we go into extras you want Tanner Poole in the game getting ABs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
Heck no. We are fine defensively. We crapped ourselves a little bit there at the end but that's not surprising. This isn't always going to look pretty. This team has overachieved to me so we are going to not look great sometimes. But Rowdey is fine.
I won't say we're fine defensively. Seems we average about three errors a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Absolutely we should defensive sub in the 9th. Poole is a really bad hitter, but a plus defender. Poole should play the 9th when we have a lead
68 errors in 62 games. That's basically 1 per game. So let's not get carried away with having one bad defensive game.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
Any poster who ever suggests putting Poole in the lineup should have all posting privileges revokedQuote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
Hell no. Ever. 2 years ago va Arizona, cohen took out rooker who hit 2 hrs and replac D by the kid whom promptly struck out after we gave up the leadQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Poole is not an elite defender. Just because people keep saying it doesn't make it true. Poole & vansau do not deserve any more PT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
This. If you have to make a defensive sub in the outfield, go with Anderson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Some of you let seeing a guy struggle at the plate cloud your judgement on a guy's ability to play defense. Poole can go get em defensively. In the 9th with a lead, you want your best defenders on the field when you have your closer in the game. Poole tracks down that ball to LF in the 9th easily.
Good god, just stop it. All due respect to Poole, I couldn?t hold his jock strap at this point in my life, but he is not an SEC player, and pulling a young player who could be the next star in MSU history because he didn?t have a rocket up his ass to make the catch off the fence last night is borderline insanseQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Rowdey is a star in the making. I love the kid, but he struggles in the OF. His fielding % is .951 (4 errors). This doesn't even tell the whole story bc he gets bad reads all the time on balls. This kid should play despite that though bc he can flat out smash. When you need 3 outs though with the CWS on the line, I play the better defender bc you take a glove to LF, not a batQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
We are 117th in the country in fielding percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Yes, good call. Since Rowdy made the last out, that would have been a good decision to bring in Poole. Poole is 6'4, he would have made that catch rather easily. And to the other posters in this thread, Poole is definitely a plus defender.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezsoil
+1000Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Prepare to be attacked. Some posters here can't see that with 3 outs remaining with a lead, you make decisions based on defense not offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Truth. No way the game should have ended the way it did. Catch the pop up and win the game. The positive is maybe it deflated Vandy losing in that way yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You are a habitual "over-pluser", but I agree +∞ in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
Rowdy roughly averages an error once ever 100 innings this season, which is not great but not definitely not something you should place much concern in either. Poole has no errors, but has played less than half the time Rowdy has played.
Rowdy has a .93 OPS while Poole has a .63 OPS, and Rowdy's in the past couple of months would be quite a bit higher. That is a substantial difference with the bat.
That’s not on Rowdy. Its on the terrible relay throw to third.
And then a pretty bad throw home by Fosc. A good throw nails himQuote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Look. The left side is true freshmen. Rowdy has had his struggles in left field true. But Foscue has struggled himself at 3rd probably even more so. Rowdy tried to make a fantastic catch and missed. The throw to 3rd to me wasn’t awful. Foscue has got to come up with or at least block it. Then after it got away, he shoulda thrown the guy out by 2 feet at home and almost panicked and rushed the three and threw it to the pitchers mound instead of home plate. We’ve got to take the lumps in the field for them at the plate though. With experience both will be much better in the field
Thanks Ari, the PlayStation Guy must not have seen not one bad relay throw but how bout Two!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ari Gold
Coulda, Woulda Shoulda. That's Baseball!
caught that ball last night.
We're just discussing the game last night. I'm not sure what a "PlayStation" has to do with anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by basedog
The last thing I want is Gary Henderson thinking right now.
FWIW- Rowdey made a play off the wall similar to last night in Houston and got the out. The throw in wasn't great and it was compounded by hitting the runner.
But here's my thing- we play so many close and extra innings games I would rather keep our bats in the lineup. If we had a dominant shut down pitching staff I might feel differently but since that's not happening this year I want to keep the bats in.
If we are up 4-6 with 3 outs left, fine, put him in. But if you are looking at any possible scenario barring a collapse, where he may have to come to the plate, the simple answer is Hell No, do not put him in. His bat is a severe liability
ETA: I am a state fan above all else, so my sincerest wish is if this occurred and he were sent in late innings for ?defense?, he belt one over the left center field wall and do a double finger salute to all us doubters
Rowdey was the last out in the 8th. The lineup would've had to flip completely for Poole to hit againQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
The game was within a run I think. You have to play percentages. No one knows they get the crazy play score. No one had a clue Mac relives his magic. It?s too close to call to pull a plus hitter for a marginally better gloves. JMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And I respect your opinion. This isn't a cut and dry decision. I like to get best defenders in there and try to close it, but it can backfire. Vice versa the other wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Rick Danko
Here's the BIG THING that all of you are missing concerning Rowdy's play in outfield ---he was recruited and and primarily played only at 2B and SS in high school. He has had to make this transition on the fly during the season. We didn't have a field during the Fall for him to get ahead of the curve. Let him get through this season and another Fall before we cast him off from OF.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I didn't make any predictions about his future. Players get better with age. This was only about 3 outs in the 9th last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by Westdawg
Here is my question? We win the game, does it matter now about any what if’s?
Now if we had gotten beat so be it and question a Coach’s decision.
Trying to find a negative about a positive win is crazy now. Geez
Just saying.
Our pitchers made an atrocious amount of errors during nonconference play. I'm not saying we're good, but we're not that bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Throwing errors are the majority of those. Everyone on here is talking about catching a ball that hit 10 feet up a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
How do you know that? You have no clue that he 100% would have caught that. I hate when people say that to bolster an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
Say I think he might have had a better chance. But for sure would have caught that ball? You don't know that. Catching a ball 10 feet up a wall isn't exactly a routine play.
"10 foot off the wall" could be your way of bolstering your argument. Go look at the highlights http://www.secsports.com front pageQuote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Rowdey listed at 5'10"; Poole listed at 6'4". I think 1/2 a foot would have been quite beneficial
Possibly. Maybe it was 8-9 feet. Either way height had nothing to do with it. Rowdey could have caught the ball. It was about timing and positioning not height. All I'm saying is it was a damn difficult play and for us to assume Poole makes that play is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
At this point there is nothing Poole does good enough for me to sacrifice Rowdey Jordan. Not one thing. I'll also say that my guess is the majority of people asking for Poole to defensive sub don't coach or never have coached baseball or played baseball at a high level. You only see that when there is a significant difference between the two and there isn't here. Especially if we have to turn the lineup over again.
What people really should be mad at are the relay throw and the throw home. Those both were god awful. Cost us the run 100%. Not Rowdey. Ask any legitimate OF and if they tell you the truth that play gets made at best 50%, especially when you consider there's not warning track because the field is all turf.
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
I see a lot of prople here who don't understand how difficult it is to catch a ball up against a wall. Especially a 30 foot wall. I know mstate7 is about to say it's only 28 and a half feet of a wall or something like that.