NFL Draft - who do you think CLE takes and will Lamar Jackson be good?

I think they're going to end of taking Mayfield because NY loves Darnold, but supposedly not the other guys. If they let him go, they probably get Barkley at 4.

I'm not sure who the best QB to come out of the draft is. My opinion of Mayfield went up after the CFB playoffs. Allen is crapshoot and Darnold seems to have a lot of Matt Leinhart in him.

Meanwhile people ooze of Lamar Jackson's potential and what Watson did is probably elevating that. But is he better coming out than RGIII was and look where he is today.

Cleveland needs to get Barkley and Mayfield however they can do it

The saints had such an unbelievable draft last season that I fully expect them to take Jackson to pay the draft gods back. I don't think Jackson turns out to be very good

If they don't take Saquon Barkley number 1 they are really really stupid. If they want to draft a QB at #4, go ahead. But you better get Barkley up front or someone else will come up and get him before #4 comes around. I still think they should wait and get a QB next year. They have Tyrod Taylor and he's good enough for the next 2 years. Get another elite player on defense or offense in a position that is less volatile to rookies and see what happens. Does Bradley Chubb fall to #4? How good of a draft would Barkley and Chubb be? That's immediate impact that can change your team. One of these QBs isn't doing that year 1 with this team I don't think.

Lamar Jackson is going to be a poor mans Michael Vick. His speed will be impressive, until people figure him out. He's not a good passer and never has been. Lot of one read stuff where guys are open. That's not going to happen in the NFL.

- I don't get the Darnold love. Every time I watched the guy this season, he sucked. I get he has tools, but he sucks & lacks instincts for football.

- Lamar Jackson is not an NFL QB.

- Rosen is Tony Romo. Take him

- Mayfield is an adequate NFL starter. Take him.

- I don't know WTF Josh Allen is

- Barkley is really good. Take him

I don't know who the Cowboys will draft. I'm sure Jerry will make the wrong choice.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

- I don't get the Darnold love. Every time I watched the guy this season, he sucked. I get he has tools, but he sucks & lacks instincts for football.

- Lamar Jackson is not an NFL QB.

- Rosen is Tony Romo. Take him

- Mayfield is an adequate NFL starter. Take him.

- I don't know WTF Josh Allen is

- Barkley is really good. Take him

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Don't understand the Lamar hate. I think he has potential to be a fine NFL qb.

His stats compared to Josh Rosen:

Completion Percentage:
Lamar 57%
Rosen 60%

Yards per attempt:
Lamar 8.3
Rosen 8.0

TD/Int Ratio:
Lamar 69/27
Josh Rosen 59/26

Size:
Lamar 6'3 211*
Rosen 6'4 218*

I think he can sit a few years and develop. I think he'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Cleveland needs to get Barkley and Mayfield however they can do it

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This is exactly what I'd do but I wouldn't of traded for Taylor and given Landry $70 mill either so Cleveland will **** this draft up like always.

MSU Draftees next year IMO if they all come out:

1st round - Sweat, Simmons
2nd round - Nick Fitz, Chauncey Rivers
3rd or 4th round - Gerri Green, Brian Cole, Cory Thomas, Elgton Jenkins, Marquiss Spencer
5th or 6th round - Aeris, Jon Abram, Leo Lewis, Deion Calhoun

Free Agents - Jamal Peters, Mark McLaurin, Justin Johnson, Daryl Williams, Chris Rayford

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Originally Posted by Cary Hudson's little bro

MSU Draftees next year IMO if they all come out:

1st round - Sweat, Simmons
2nd round - Nick Fitz, Chauncey Rivers
3rd or 4th round - Gerri Green, Brian Cole, Cory Thomas, Elgton Jenkins, Marquiss Spencer
5th or 6th round - Aeris, Jon Abram, Leo Lewis, Deion Calhoun

Free Agents - Jamal Peters, Mark McLaurin, Justin Johnson, Daryl Williams, Chris Rayford

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13 draft picks? Sounds pretty optimistic

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Originally Posted by Cary Hudson's little bro

MSU Draftees next year IMO if they all come out:

1st round - Sweat, Simmons
2nd round - Nick Fitz, Chauncey Rivers
3rd or 4th round - Gerri Green, Brian Cole, Cory Thomas, Elgton Jenkins, Marquiss Spencer
5th or 6th round - Aeris, Jon Abram, Leo Lewis, Deion Calhoun

Free Agents - Jamal Peters, Mark McLaurin, Justin Johnson, Daryl Williams, Chris Rayford

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May just be me, but i don't think Aeris or Cory will get drafted. Obviously hope i'm wrong, though.

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Originally Posted by louisvilledawg

May just be me, but i don't think Aeris or Cory will get drafted. Obviously hope i'm wrong, though.

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Cory either finds a sense of urgency this season or ends up just "a guy"

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Originally Posted by msstate7

13 draft picks? Sounds pretty optimistic

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yeah, 13 is a lot...not much difference in 5th-6th round and free agent. Got my maroon glasses on

Take Barkely #1 and Chubb #4. Roll with Tyrod Taylor for one year and then sign Nick Foles. He's better than all these scrub QB's.

Cleveland will take Darnold & Chubb.

They don't need Barkley. RBs are very replaceable in the NFL.

There is no f'ing way Barkley will go #1. Sorry guys.

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

Cleveland will take Darnold & Chubb.

They don't need Barkley. RBs are very replaceable in the NFL.

There is no f'ing way Barkley will go #1. Sorry guys.

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But Darnold stinks

Did anyone watch him or USC last year?

This is what I don't get. A marginal football player has been made into a star due to the draft.

The all-time record for most draft picks from one school in a given year is 14. So I feel confident we won't get 13.

Simmons should be a 1st round pick, Sweat will likely go in the top 2 rounds if he has another year similar to next year. I could see quite a few more being drafted, but you just don't know. And some of these guys don't post the kind of workout numbers you might guess. Somebody like Brian Cole, for instance, may seem like a heck of an athlete and then run a 4.65 40 and have no shot.

I think we'll end up with around 6-8 draft picks, which is stinking impressive.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

But Darnold stinks

Did anyone watch him or USC last year?

This is what I don't get. A marginal football player has been made into a star due to the draft.

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USC was really bad. Poor OL and WRs were pretty bad. So 1/2 of it wasn't his fault. He will be a good NFL QB if the Browns can work on his coach-able flaws. He can make any throw he wants.

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

USC was really bad. Poor OL and WRs were pretty bad. So 1/2 of it wasn't his fault. He will be a good NFL QB if the Browns can work on his coach-able flaws. He can make any throw he wants.

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I don't know man. I'm not sure he processes well or has the instincts for it.

USC has a 5 year recruiting average of 5th in the country. Regardless of how bad you say they were, they were WAY more talented than anyone else in their conference.

I just don't see it & personally think you're making excuses for a player that had the better talent on his team every time he took the field

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I don't know man. I'm not sure he processes well or has the instincts for it.

USC has a 5 year recruiting average of 5th in the country. Regardless of how bad you say they were, they were WAY more talented than anyone else in their conference.

I just don't see it & personally think you're making excuses for a player that had the better talent on his team every time he took the field

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We'll see. There is a reason he is about to get drafted the top pick though.

When is the last time a USC QB had even a marginally good career? Carson Palmer? I realize it's tough for any QB to make it big in the NFL, but the media seems to latch onto and place on a pedestal every USC QB with an ounce of pro potential, for no other reason than they're from USC, and scouts/teams get swept up in the frenzy. It's tough for me to believe Darnold is going to break that mold after almost 20 years of over-hyped USC QB's.

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

We'll see. There is a reason he is about to get drafted the top pick though.

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Doesn't mean he'd good though

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

We'll see. There is a reason he is about to get drafted the top pick though.

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Darnold is the youngest player in the draft. He'll improve. He's already good enough to go #1.

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Originally Posted by Cary Hudson's little bro

Darnold is the youngest player in the draft. He'll improve. He's already good enough to go #1.

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You may absolutely be right, but I'm not sure how excited I'd be about risking a #1 overall daft pick on "He'll improve" when he just led the country in turnovers while QBing a team that had more talent on the field than anyone they played

I agree Barkley won't go #1. I'd prob take Mayfiekd then Barkley 4th

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

Cleveland will take Darnold & Chubb.

They don't need Barkley. RBs are very replaceable in the NFL.

There is no f'ing way Barkley will go #1. Sorry guys.

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Barkley is not the average RB

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

This is exactly what I'd do but I wouldn't of traded for Taylor and given Landry $70 mill either so Cleveland will **** this draft up like always.

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Hopefully they fix this. It has to end sometime, right?

Agree with Barkley #1 and Chubb #4. Dont gamble on a potential busts and take these 2 probable pro bowlers

Get a QB in a later round and if he works out great, otherwise try again later.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Agree with Barkley #1 and Chubb #4. Dont gamble on a potential busts and take these 2 probable pro bowlers

Get a QB in a later round and if he works out great, otherwise try again later.

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They have passed on Wentz and Watson the last 2 years. There is on way they are waiting on a QB.

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Barkley is not the average RB

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Either is LeVeon Bell. And the Steelers are refusing to pay him. It's easy to find RBs and the Browns have two adequate ones.

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

Either is LeVeon Bell. And the Steelers are refusing to pay him. It's easy to find RBs and the Browns have two adequate ones.

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Refusing to pay him? He signed a tag for 12 million last year and set for 14 million this year. I'd say he's being paid nicely.

Mayfield has bust written all over him imo. I'm not saying Lamar will kill it but he's just as good as any other QB in this draft. All of the top QB's seem incredibly risky.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

I don't know who the Cowboys will draft. I'm sure Jerry will make the wrong choice.

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Calvin Ridley would be a good start.

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Calvin Ridley would be a good start.

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I bet the Cowboys take DT's Da'ron Payne or Taven Bryan first then 2 WR's after that.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mayfield has bust written all over him imo. I'm not saying Lamar will kill it but he's just as good as any other QB in this draft. All of the top QB's seem incredibly risky.

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I think Darnold is the only one that will not bust out of the "top 4"

Rosen has had two concussions. No one talks about that...Mayfield will never grow up and it'll cost him in the NFL, Josh Allen needs two years as a backup and prob won't get it. He is just like Steve McNair!

Lamar Jackson will be Kordell Stewart or Michael Vick. Not a super bowl winner, but still awesome.

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Originally Posted by Cary Hudson's little bro

Darnold is the youngest player in the draft. He'll improve. He's already good enough to go #1.

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No. Tremaine Edmunds is about eleven months younger than Darnold. And projected as a first rounder.

Darnold - June 5, 1997
Edmunds - May 2, 1998

Lamar Jackson is a great runner. But can he run smartly? To survive in the NFL, you have to run smartly. Dak, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers, all run smartly. RG3 did not. You have to pick your spots and know when to get down, throw it away, etc.

I'm not a Lamar Jackson fan as a first rounder.

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Originally Posted by Big4Dawg

Either is LeVeon Bell. And the Steelers are refusing to pay him. It's easy to find RBs and the Browns have two adequate ones.

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LeVeon Bell is holding out because he is basically their #1 RB and #2 WR and he wants to be paid like it. Sammy Watkins is getting 16 Mil and probably doesn't have as many receiving yards. You can get an ok RB but elite RBs still have huge impacts. Gurley, Fournette, and Zeke all mean more to their team than any position that isn't a QB. Fournette is actually the most important position on the Jags offense. I think Barkley has that type of impact because not only is he an every down back but is also one of the better return men in the draft.

If I was the Browns, take Barkley #1 because the Giants will take him if he is there at #2. Then you can still get a great QB at #4 if you want or you can pick Chubb then possibly trade back into the 1st if a QB is still there a little later. The Browns could always pick up someone like Mason Rudolph in the 2nd, shout out to Dickey for that thought or possibly Lamar Jackson.

The Browns will have a possibly good pick at #4 for a QB if the guy is there that they like. You could probably get Mayfield or possibly Allen if the Giants take Darnold and Jets take Rosen. Knowing the Browns they will take Allen who ends up as a bust then the Giants take Barkley which leads Eli to his 3rd superbowl. I really don't want the Giants to get him. If they have a game breaker at RB to go with OBJ then Eli would have to throw a lot of interceptions to keep that offense from kicking ass. That would rival the Steelers Killer Bs.

They are stupid if they take any of the QBs at 1 or 4. Take Saquan Barkley and Bradley Chubb and ride with Tyrod or take the best QB thats there later on if you feel like you have to draft one.

Tyrod Taylor will be the best QB the browns have had since Bernie Kosar

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Originally Posted by bulldawg28

Refusing to pay him? He signed a tag for 12 million last year and set for 14 million this year. I'd say he's being paid nicely.

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Franchise Tag...because they don?t want to pay him what he?s asking.