Serious Question About Egg Bowl

I feel pretty smug to bring this up, but does MSU need to retaliate vs Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl?

Over the past 4 years, there have been numerous cheap shots by Ole Miss players towards MSU players. Here are the two most famous, but go watch last year's Egg Bowl & you'll see them trying to hurt KT as well.

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The case for retaliation:

The case for retaliation of simple: In baseball, if you hit the other team's best player, your best player will get hit as well. The game regulates itself. Now that OM has clearly taken numerous cheap shots over the past 4 years, MSU needs to retaliate in order to police the game. If MSU does not retaliate, will OM continue to take cheap shots? Does MSU need to retaliate to protect it's own players?

The case for NOT retaliating

The case for not retaliating in also simple: we are better than that..... it's wrong to intentionally hurt players on the other team. Retaliating would cause an escalation in the rivalry rather than toning it down. MSU is morally superior & will not stoop to this level

I realize this is a polarizing topic & there is clearly a politically correct answer here. However, that doesn't mean it's the right answer & I'm really split on what I would do if I were an MSU player. If this type of situation happened in baseball or hockey, you can absolutely bet your ass that there would be retaliation, not to get the other team back, but to police the sport & ensure that other team doesn't get a free pass for a clear trend of overly aggressive play.

What say you?

The competitive athlete in me says lets go balls to the wall and make them feel the pain.

The adult in me says we are not OM and should not stoop to their level.

It is a conundrum.

Take a knee at their goal line the end of the 3rd quarter. God, I wish we could do what LSU did to them at vaught

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

The competitive athlete in me says lets go balls to the wall and make them feel the pain.

The adult in me says we are not OM and should not stoop to their level.

It is a conundrum.

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Conundrum to me as well.

The real question I have is: does retaliating actually prevent future cheap shots by them?

If it does, then it should be an option as MSU should be trying to protect it's own players.

MLB pitchers don't retaliate out of vengeance. They retaliate to protect their own team. If you show an unwillingness to retaliate then other teams will pitch inside on you, back you off the plate, etc.

It's a real conundrum.

No. A little extra activity after the whistle is okay and gets the refs involved early on and forces them to have a quick whistle. Then you can just play.

I dislike it when they do it and I'll dislike it just as much when we do it.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Take a knee at their goal line the end of the 3rd quarter. God, I wish we could do what LSU did to them at vaught

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NFL player who used to write the # of the player on a towel he was wearing during the game. Jim McMahon got body slammed by him and broke his collar bone. Cant remember the players name seemed like he played for the Packers.

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Originally Posted by DCdawg

No. A little extra activity after the whistle is okay and gets the refs involved early on and forces them to have a quick whistle. Then you can just play.

I dislike it when they do it and I'll dislike it just as much when we do it.

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I hear you & I expect this to be the popular opinion.

I do have a question though: What if OM took another cheap shot during the game this year? What would you think then? Is there a line for you where at some point you say enough is enough? If So, where is it?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Conundrum to me as well.

The real question I have is: does retaliating actually prevent future cheap shots by them?

If it does, then it should be an option as MSU should be trying to protect it's own players.

MLB pitchers don't retaliate out of vengeance. They retaliate to protect their own team. If you show an unwillingness to retaliate then other teams will pitch inside on you, back you off the plate, etc.

It's a real conundrum.

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Meet hunter Strickland

With that group involved, retaliation will almost certainly lead to escalation, which almost never has a positive outcome for anyone. I think the best we can hope for is for the SEC to eventually decide that they don't want a group of unchecked thugs associated with them and threaten them with some serious consequences if it continues.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

NFL player who used to write the # of the player on a towel he was wearing during the game. Jim McMahon got body slammed by him and broke his collar bone. Cant remember the players name seemed like he played for the Packers.

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I'm not in on purposefully hurting their players because I don't like them. I'm in to protecting our players & the question is if it's time to say enough is enough

I would only say retaliate if the same kind of shit is tried again this EB. If so then I'd send someone to give 5-0 a nice little love tap. It would be a sign to Man Titties to cut that shit out.

I hope we don't have to do that and the SEC refs are actually worth a damn this time.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I hear you & I expect this to be the popular opinion.

I do have a question though: What if OM took another cheap shot during the game this year? What would you think then? Is there a line for you where at some point you say enough is enough? If So, where is it?

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I don't think there's ever a time when it's acceptable, but the only time it would cross my mind is when the refs have turned a blind eye to it. Many of you will argue that has already happened, but in my opinion every game is a blank slate. Once multiple cheap shots are taken in one game and unpunished, then it becomes fair territory as a means to protect yourself and teammates.

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Originally Posted by DCdawg

I don't think there's ever a time when it's acceptable, but the only time it would cross my mind is when the refs have turned a blind eye to it. Many of you will argue that has already happened, but in my opinion every game is a blank slate. Once multiple cheap shots are taken in one game and unpunished, then it becomes fair territory as a means to protect yourself and teammates.

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Solid opinion. I don't disagree.

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Originally Posted by DCdawg

I don't think there's ever a time when it's acceptable, but the only time it would cross my mind is when the refs have turned a blind eye to it. Many of you will argue that has already happened, but in my opinion every game is a blank slate. Once multiple cheap shots are taken in one game and unpunished, then it becomes fair territory as a means to protect yourself and teammates.

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What you're hitting on is the answer. protecting your teammates and yourself is fine. But it has to be in the heat of the moment, in the same game. Not 365 days later. That's why when you're qb is cheapshotted by Elston two seconds after the whistle it's acceptable for you're OL to go all "Kyle Turley"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2WyLJ27TdZs

Hell no, just play the game at our highest level! I would never tell a kid or even encourage a kid to hurt another player! Yes it was sorry on Ole Misses taking cheap shots but just beat the hell out of them!

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Originally Posted by DCdawg

I don't think there's ever a time when it's acceptable, but the only time it would cross my mind is when the refs have turned a blind eye to it. Many of you will argue that has already happened, but in my opinion every game is a blank slate. Once multiple cheap shots are taken in one game and unpunished, then it becomes fair territory as a means to protect yourself and teammates.

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i'm not sure multiple cheap shots are required - and that is where Dan has screwed up in the past. you cant let multiple happen or you have a game like last year. Put your 3rd string corner in, run a blitz from the blindside, and make the QB feel the late hit. That 3rd string kid would become an instant beloved Bulldog for life.

My biggest problem is Dan and MSU appeared to do very little about this on the surface. I am aware that Ole Miss apologized after the fact so it's obvious that we did something. Compare that to Les Miles and LSU with Dillion Day. I think as a fan I would rather MSU handle it that way than the other.

What I would do if I was MSU is I would first notify Sankey and tell him that his officials were unsafe last year and allowed way too much to go on and it is a safety concern for our student athletes and cite examples as Shotgun has. I would then inform him that while we value and believe in sportsmanship we value our student athelete's safety more and if too much unethical behavior is allowed we as a team will take action to protect our players if unnecessary roughness penalties are noy called appropriately.

As far as the game I think the rules are different for football than baseball and I think the proper thing to do would be to run up the score.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

i'm not sure multiple cheap shots are required - and that is where Dan has screwed up in the past. you cant let multiple happen or you have a game like last year. Put your 3rd string corner in, run a blitz from the blindside, and make the QB feel the late hit. That 3rd string kid would become an instant beloved Bulldog for life.

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One thing I have learned in my life- or high school in this case- is if you don't stand up to a bully they will keep bullying you. And usually it only takes standing up for yourself once to stop it.

I just don't think Dan cared.

You don't retaliate 365 days later. You don't do it at all unless the refs refuse to stop it in the next one. You know Ole Miss will do it, it epitomizes their entire athletic department. Let the refs handle it, if they will.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

NFL player who used to write the # of the player on a towel he was wearing during the game. Jim McMahon got body slammed by him and broke his collar bone. Cant remember the players name seemed like he played for the Packers.

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Was it Reggie white?

We are better than them. In every way. I say the only acceptable way to retaliate is to light up the score board and party hard on the sideline after every PAT.

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Originally Posted by 99jc

NFL player who used to write the # of the player on a towel he was wearing during the game. Jim McMahon got body slammed by him and broke his collar bone. Cant remember the players name seemed like he played for the Packers.

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Well damn.



If we play the way we are capable no one should be worried. It will be a blowout. Getting beat down physically is embarrassing enough. Our players especially Fitz will put on a show. Ole miss will quit, watch.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

We are better than them. In every way. I say the only acceptable way to retaliate is to light up the score board and party hard on the sideline after every PAT.

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That's goingto happen. Fitz and Keyton will have their best moves on display. I plan to be there to bask in it all.

I think we should have turned in a report to the NCAA (maybe we did, dunno)

I'd put a scrub in at CB and take out their best WR. But only if they start playing dirty again.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

I'd put a scrub in at CB and take out their best WR. But only if they start playing dirty again.

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Bull1 Please, first time a "scrub" lines up against a physical AJ Brown he will light him up with a big play. I guarantee a pass will be coming to him, I'm so glad you ain't a Coach.

Just play the game physical, all else will take care of itself!

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Originally Posted by basedog

Bull1 Please, first time a "scrub" lines up against a physical AJ Brown he will light him up with a big play. I guarantee a pass will be coming to him, I'm so glad you ain't a Coach.

Just play the game physical, all else will take care of itself!

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No, not during a play. I mean in a dead ball situation. But if this EVER happened, it would be an absolute slugfest. So I do not condone this.
And this isn't about winning that play. This is about retaliation.

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Originally Posted by Bulldog1

No, not during a play. I mean in a dead ball situation. But if this EVER happened, it would be an absolute slugfest. So I do not condone this.
And this isn't about winning that play. This is about retaliation.

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Personally we are due a slug fest. Havn't had one in a long time. I think it will go along way to making me feel better.

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Was it Reggie white?

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this is what we should do to 5-0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr7UcrLLybo

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

Was it Reggie white?

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dexter manley

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

You don't retaliate 365 days later. You don't do it at all unless the refs refuse to stop it in the next one. You know Ole Miss will do it, it epitomizes their entire athletic department. Let the refs handle it, if they will.

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No, you don't retaliate 365 days later, but that's exactly what ole miss did. They retaliated on Fitz's leg that beat the hell out of them the year prior. I still can't believe nothing has been done about it, at least that we know about. Remember when we had an offensive lineman 'stomp' on an LSU player a few years back? He was suspended before getting back to Starkville. The league should've reviewed the EB, and made some kind of public admonishment to ole miss for their behavior. I still can't believe just nothing....

No.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

What you're hitting on is the answer. protecting your teammates and yourself is fine. But it has to be in the heat of the moment, in the same game. Not 365 days later. That's why when you're qb is cheapshotted by Elston two seconds after the whistle it's acceptable for you're OL to go all "Kyle Turley"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2WyLJ27TdZs

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Confucius I had forgotten about that, thanks for the memories! Rep given!

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Personally we are due a slug fest. Havn't had one in a long time. I think it will go along way to making me feel better.

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Yep and I' putting 50-1 on J Simmons, taking all bets!

The week before the EB this year, Mark Keenum and John Cohen need to have a sit down in Greg Sankeys office and present the evidence of repeated dirty plays and explain to him that this is unacceptable.

Yes, yes we do. Unnecessary touchdowns wouldn't be a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Bully13

I think we should have turned in a report to the NCAA (maybe we did, dunno)

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Bugs me that no one in the SEC or NCAA has talked about this. Even if we had some inside info somewhere...had to have been discussed.

Win the damn game

And score as much as possible. Run that bitch up

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

We are better than them. In every way. I say the only acceptable way to retaliate is to light up the score board and party hard on the sideline after every PAT.

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Here's how I feel about it:


https://youtu.be/3qQ17UnJk_Y?t=35