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Anything else would be dumb
Crap. This regional is now over.
I would've been stunned if he wasntQuote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
So dumb. Oh well.
offense needs to show up early so we can get him out early, i'm talking like 12-0 early. But UIC is no slouch and we have our work cut out for us
Our offense couldn't score 12 runs against Pisgah right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Choctaw Dawg
This should be proof to everyone it's the wrong move.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
So what's the right move?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
This makes sense. You are now in the elimination round where you play every game like it is your last. You start the guy who gives you the best chance to win.
Yep, we gotta score some runs some kind of bad tomorrow thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
The right move could be starting pill in the first game. The right move could be starting pilk in the first game after we win a game. I have a little trouble figuring out how starting pilk in tomorrow's game could be the right move.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
I don't get the wait until game 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
I don't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/044...9510730323.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Pilk has to start game 2. Bats need to show up tomorrow too. 3 runs vs that trash USA pitcher is all kinds of embarrassing.
Lol yepQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Starting him tomorrow seems like an admission that not starting him today was a mistake. The reason you save him is you think you need to win a game without him. We still need to win the same number of games now as we did this morning. True, we'll get to go against somebody's number three if we win tomorrow, but that would have been the case if we had won the first and lost the second, so if that's the logic you go all out to stay on the winners bracket.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
So save him til game 5...Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Starting Pilk against a 4-seed's #2 basically ends your chances of winning the Regional. It's a no-brainer to start Denver against UIC.
Totally disagree with this move. So what you win Game 2 but lose Game 3? You have accomplished nothing
The whole strategy behind holding him back is if your Gordon screws up the first game you almost guarantee yourself a chance to get through the first round of the loser's bracket and at that point you're throwing your three against someone else's three. So, it's almost a wash. You're basically gambling at getting a big advantage because if our guys hadn't screwed up tonight we almost guarantee ourselves a spot in the regional final. If it gets screwed up, it's almost like you threw your number one and lost game two anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Im not saying saving him is the right move, just that it's hard to argue playing him tomorrow is the right move without admitting that saving him was the wrong move.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Only argument is if you were opposite a team with two lock down starters. Even then, it seems like the risk/reward for saving him again after losing the first game would be similar.
It's a 4 seed that is better than us right now...you lose game 2 there is no game 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
By this why start Pilk in game 3? Shouldn't he be saved until game 5? We are riding guys that we have zero trust that can win so you may as well do that until the winner take all final. Denver game 2, Billingsley game 3, wholestaff game 4, Pilk in game 5. If you don't pitch him against UIC then may as well wait and hope we get to usm or USA Sunday night winner take all.
UIC IS NOT Jackson St or Ole Miss. If we pitch Denver and the Denver shows up that we've seen just about every time then UIC will beat us. Can't trust him. I want to be able to run Denver out there and trust he will throw strikes and win, but what has anybody seen that he will do that? Nothing because he hasn't. It's a HOPE. Which we can't afford to trust at this point. It's now survival mode and hope doesn't go far.
Who gives a shit what anybody thinks if tonite was the right or wrong move. Flush it it's ****ing done and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
Everyone we have faced the last couple of weeks is a lockdown starter.
Fair enough but I'd still lean towards either a strategy of trying maximizing the chances of staying out of the losers bracket as long as possible or trying to 'steal' a game against a weaker seed, barring a particularly nasty matchup with the #2 starter of the 1 seed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
All that is white noise. You start Denver vs UIC and hope you get a win against them. You have to play the odds that you are better than the 4-seed. Its about winning the Regional- not just winning a game. Then start Pilk against the loser from the winner's bracket. That gets you to the Finals. You pitch Pilk in Game 2? No chance to make the Finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
We could start Pilk tomorrow and still lose because our hitting is absolutely atroucious right now. I know AC is the hitting coach but what are you going to tell your top 2 hitters when one is last seasons batting champ and the other is a Triple Crown/Golden Spikes candidate? Jeez, I'd hate to be in AC's shoes.
You start Denver tomorrow and he walks 6 guys in 2 innings and we are down 4-0 then what? No chance to play Sunday much less sniff a final. Im trying to win the regional but you can't do that if you don't give yourself the best chance to win tomorrow. If we don't walk 100 guys again tonite then no one is having this discussion. I'm gonna trust Pilk to ram it in their ass so I can HOPE Denver can win Sunday. If Denver throws strikes he mauls anyone in this regional. But he won't throw strikes. Therefore I can't trust him tomorrow. Sunday I have no choice so I'll run him out there then and HOPE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
The Nut-Up move is to start McQ tomorrow and just fight like hell. Same Pilk for the USM/USA elimination game...Or start Self against UIC
You are an SEC-level pitching coach- but I just disagree. Throwing Pilk is the cover your ass play. If Denver walks 6 in 2 innings in Game 3? You lose badly there anyway. At least pitch Denver against a shittier team that he may somehow get away with things like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
If you're gonna save Pilk then save him for game 5 winner take all. You're gonna have to win 3 games with wholestaff to win the regional anyway so saving Pilk to game 5 gives us the best chance to win the last game. By the save Pilk to game 3 logic...
And that's ok we disagree. If im gonna get beat tomorrow it's gonna be with the guy I trust the most because I have a choice. Sunday there is no choice except between 2 guys that walk everyone. I put more stock in what I SAW out of UIC today than they are justmyour run of the mill 4 seed. Also taking into account we can't hit me right now. I desperately want to save Pilk bc logically I agree with the move to get us to the finals. But everything I'm seeing at this moment I can't do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
My manQuote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
We've been saying start self all year and I honestly won't see him getting a starting nod no matter how many pitchers we've burned. I badly want Self to start next year thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer
That's absolutely false. You don't go into a tournament with a loser mentality thinking about "what if we lose game 1". The strategy behind pitching Gordon in game 1 was because we thought we could beat USA with our #2, which in turn would save our ace for the #1 seed to put us in the championship series with saving our whole johnny whole staff. Period. The reason you just gave is absolute BS, and it's you trying to contort the argument to fit your narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The best chance we have to beat UIC is to throw Pilk. True. However, that also gives us the least chance of winning the regional. Beating UIC is not the goal. Winning the regional is. So you have to save pilk. If we can't beat UIC with McQ, we aren't beating USM or USA either with him.
Let's face it though, we are toast.
That's not the same at all. Winning game 3 with pilk, means we are facing someone else's number 3 with our number 4. If we saved pilk for 5, we would be facing someone's 3 with our 5. The more games that are played, the more pitching everyone else uses up too. But wasting pilk in game 2 gives us no advantage at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
I obviously disagree totally. No need to rehash it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Intramural All-American
Unless we start swinging the damn stick, it doesn't matter who pitches when. At this rate, we'll need pilk and Self to beat uic.
Why didn't we just start Denver tonite?
Once you are in the losers bracket it is then one game at a time. You do whatever to win that 1 game. Pitch your best and then worry about the next game after you advance. I might consider pitching Self and if we could get a nice lead pull Him. If not burn Him down. The deal is, we have to ****ing hit. We can win this by knocking the piss out of the baseball.
I mean we can agree to disagree on tactics and merit. I'm just pointing out that your logic is flawed in that particular instance. We disagree about starting pilk tomorrow. I see your point, and I'm sure you see mine, we just disagree on this particular game. Your comment about saving him til game 5 is either trolling or not educated.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg