too much exemplary cooperation, law suit threats, and cheating while the sheriffs in town leads me to believe Mojolner is about to strike Lafayette county
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too much exemplary cooperation, law suit threats, and cheating while the sheriffs in town leads me to believe Mojolner is about to strike Lafayette county
I just can't see it happening without serious probation in place prior to this current investigation starting. But, I do suspect that NCAA, knowing that the death penalty is the only thing that has a chance of shutting their cheating operation down once and for all, could be setting them up for the death penalty several years down the road with whatever they hand down this year. That would give them access to the textbook "repeat offender" judgement necessary for death penalty as the rules are currently written.
They're certainly taking their time, so you could be right. I suppose it could be as it looks ... that every time they start to wind it up, something else surfaces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Indndawg
I've been saying that for over a year. And PLEASE stop with the "no longer on the table" argument because the NCAA never took it off the table.
OM is daring the NCAA to throw the book at them and I believe that the NCAA will oblige. Why? Because OM's case is basically USC and UNC combined. 90% of what is discussed on ED is the financial inducements but the most damning part of OM's transgressions is the academic fraud which we already know that the NCAA knows about through David Saunders.
Contrary to what the nitwits up north believe the NCAA doesn't have to WANT to hammer OM. OM has put themselves in a position that the NCAA will HAVE TO hammer them or all of collegiate sports will turn into the wild Wild West as Saban put it.
I've been telling y'all since day one that they are getting kicked out of the SEC. I wish you would listen to me on this.
Lol, they will not get the death penalty or kicked out of the Sec.
As a matter of fact, it's doubtful they will get anything worse than what we (State) got under Sherrill
Five years of Croom?Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
Exactly. That's why my question at this point is if an amended NOA is considered eligible for repeat offender status. My guess is they will get a second NOA and it won't be the 2013 class that gets them the death penalty but more likely the 2016 class because they kept the wholesale cheating going on while under investigation. I'm not 100% sure that they will get the death penalty. I don't think the NCAA likes to use it if they can avoid it and it's a last resort. Ultimately I think it comes down to whether or not their administration puts an end to the cheating or not. That and the fact that they are going to be under repeat offender status for awhile after everything comes down. So they are going to have to keep their nose clean for a few years after or risk the death penalty again.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
You don't KNOW that! I am speculating. You are speculating. OM fans are speculating.
My speculations are based on the infractions we know they have been caught with. Yours seem to be based on the same pride that OM fans cling to that the NCAA doesn't have the balls to do what they ought to do.
What I do know is that the "death penalty" is really called the "repeat offender clause". It is only handed out to programs who continue to cheat and get caught while they are on probation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
If OM is not a repeat offender who is? With all of the smoke and mirrors their administration is doing who knows when their official probation started. What is clear is that they have a steady verifiable track record of cheating all the way back to Houston Nutt.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
If you are talking just the last probation under Sherill, they are trying to self impose more scholarship reductions than we actually got from the NCAA and have more than twice the number of violations and major infractions than we had. So it's not only likely but they have already tried to self impose part of the penalties more than we got.Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
They'll get more than that....but definitely not the death penalty or kicked out of the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by was21
NoQuote:
Originally Posted by was21
By the NCAA bylaws only violations that have occurred since the Oct, 2016 COI decision will fall under the repeat offender clause which can bring in the death penalty. Only major scandals, like the Penn St case, can trigger the COI to consider the death penalty without repeat offender statusQuote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Yup. And An amended noa means that it's all still part of an on going investigation , not a new one. Repeat offender status would not come into play until AFTER sanctions have been handed down by the comm on infrQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
They will get hammered, and hard, but no death penalty. ATLEAST not now. If they get caught cheating after sanctions are handed down then there is a chance.
I agree mostly except the clock is already ticking since the WBB and Track was completed in Oct. Any violations occurring after that point, even if it's part of an amended NOA, will trigger the repeat offender clause.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
I see what your saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
They are going to lose 30 schollys at a minimum and have a year or two bowl ban. From there is gravy
Sanctions have already been handed down in basketball and track. I do believe that counts for LOIC and the death penalty right?Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
They should get LOI for a number of things but they still have to be under repeat violator status for the death penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Please indulge me here:
I see this case as the NCAA is the Empire, trying to keep order, with the Death Star in orbit, and Ole Miss is Alderaan.
USC and UNC are Jedha and Eadu.
Damnit, we speak English here. This isn't Alabama**Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonbulldog
Scarif?
They are gonna get it worse than most think.
My understanding from a friend who has connections is this, the death penalty is not on the table for OM. The problem is the NCAA has so much confirmed infractions and they continue to come in. When do they decide enough is enough and move forward. Personally I think repeat offender status is on the table being under investigation and continuing payola.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frexzell
The only problem is that Hugh Freeze is Emperor Palpatine. He seemed good hearted but then showed that he was totally engulfed by the dark side. He produces many talented apprentices but they all seem to get have tragic ends.
Yes, the Rebels will get a direct shot from the Death Star but there will be no return of the Jedi.
I know a lot of Star Wars fans dislike the pre-quels, but....Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroonbulldog
It's more like Ole Miss is the Trade Federation and the NCAA is Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith. Ole Miss knows that what they are doing is greedy and underhanded- but at the same time they also claim to "only want peace"- ie "we're just trying to help these poor underprivileged kids".
And at the end of the Clone Wars when everything looked bad but they still thought that they would be alright- here's come Darth to mow them down. And I assume that all of their planets were left in complete ruin by the Empire after the Clone Wars ended but I only watch the movies and not the other stuff.
Freeze is much more Nute Gunray than Palpatine. Tuohy would be Palpatine in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
ya'll geeking this thread up quickly
Ha! My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
I've said it before. I think I'd prefer they remain in the SEC, just as a cripple. We could use the easy win in-division, in conference. If they were to get kicked out, what are the chances they'd be replaced by an equally inept bunch of asshats? Slim.
Of course, if they were kicked out, it would almost certainly improve our recruiting immensely. We'd have our pick of in-state talent that wants to "stay home". We'd still lose some to Bama, LSU, etc...but we'd rarely lose the ones we've been losing to UNM. And wouldn't it be fun to watch them compete with Memphis, USM, ULL, La Tech, MTSU, etc for recruits?
I think the proper term would be "nerding".Quote:
Originally Posted by Random Poster
The worst thing about them getting kicked out is we would have to use an OOC spot on the Egg Bowl. That's the worst thing on our end. Getting kicked out of the SEC would kill their football program and honestly probably kill USM as well because USM sure as hell doesn't have any boosters that would pay to keep up with Ole Miss.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
I had never put much thought into those aspects. I think the SEC goes after an Oklahoma team or teams, West Virginia, or a North Carolina team. No Florida team or any team that is already in an SEC State already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
OM would not join the CUSA or AAC out of pride. They might accept an invite to the Big 12 if they would have them. If I would put my money on them going independent. They could go back to all of their racist emblems and regalia that way.
Holy crap, they're not getting kicked out of the SEC. And they won't get the death penalty.
Screw the Egg Bowl at that point. Just put that trophy in a special place with a monument that says "Permanently Residing In Starkville due to the arrogance of our northern friends. RIP Mississippi." We can double the insult by starting a new trophy with LSU called "The Col. Reb Cup" in memory of what used to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I do wonder what happens if OM gets caught again after the hammer comes down. Mississippi is supposed to have a big time talent pool for '19... no way OM doesn't attempt to recruit their tried and true method