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Holy S%#^ Could Florida State bend OM over twice? Looks like we might have a shot as well.
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Holy S%#^ Could Florida State bend OM over twice? Looks like we might have a shot as well.
I doubt he'd come here, so I hope fsu offers
So you think he's just blowing smoke with this comment ?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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"I feel like I would go to Mississippi State and compete for a starting spot," he said. "Do what I gotta do, go to class and I think I'd get drafted in the NFL."
I just think there's no way OM lets Bowie come hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Of course, this is based on nothing but a hunch
If he takes an OV with us then I would think we would have a shot. Key word here being takes an OV as in schedules one and actually shows up.
I'd be far more frustrated if he signed with FSU than Ole Miss.
As much as our program has grown & accomplished over the past 7 years, it would be endlessly frustrating to see that happen.
What are they going to do? Turn themselves in again for cheating?Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Having read the article I think he wants to go to Florida State reading between the lines.
Do yal want an honest prediction from preach or one of my never fail 100 percent reverse lock predictions??
You'd be more frustrated that a kid chose a program about to get slammed by the NCAA over a team poised to be a playoff team next season?Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Dan does need to step it up with the higher ranked players in state as well as the developmental o-linemen and kickers/punters. It's odd but literally the only thing we recruit well are QB's and under the radar talent which no other coach could do before Dan. We're never going to progress past what we are now until Dan decides that recruiting is more important than hanging out with his country club friends. Losing out on AJ Brown, Lashley, and not even being in the game with Akers because he was unaware of a recruiting assistants past with his high school head coach is unacceptable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
How bout instead, you walk into your bedroom, pick up a pillow, then scream into it***Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
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It's about our staff being able to capitalize on Ole Miss' issues. I've justified this kid going to OM based on what they've likely done for his family over the past two years.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Losing him to FSU would just mean that we don't have the ability to capitalize on OM going to through probation. Can't lose Mississippi kids to out of state schools.
He has a chance to come to MSU & make an early impact. At FSU, it likely takes him a few years to get on the field
Yes. Because we're not going to reach our ceiling until we stop those players from going out of state and have them help us get to the playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Just like LSU fans are pissed about us getting Dak and now Keytaeon.
Our front 7 on defense is loaded with 4*s... got more coming this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Exactly. O-line and secondary are where we've been lacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
This kid is an OM fan... I think that makes us a much tougher sale than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
THIS! We have a chance to pass Ole Miss AGAIN and yet we sit here with a coach who doesn't prioritize recruiting as important and has described recruiting as the most stressful part of his job. And even worse we have an o-line coach who just gives up whenever one of our targets is offered by another power five program unless that player is like Cordavien Suggs and promises to never take visits and remain 150% loyal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
We're the only school in the SEC that allows a coaching staff to get away with this kind of laziness because it's better than MSU 1969. It's ridiculous in light of what we have accomplished the past 20 years. It's like our fans don't want to believe that we can be consistently good in football and don't want to have higher goals than winning the Egg Bowl and winning the Liberty Bowl.
Yes and they're JUCO's. Meaning that IF they pan out we're only going to get a year and a half of optimal production out of them. And we're having to go JUCO heavy because of this coaching staff's failure to close on NSD.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And what about the secondary, WIDE RECEIVER, OFFENSIVE LINE, and special teams- all of which have underperformed for the most part.
They'er going on probation. We're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Listen to the key words this kid said in terms of State.
"I feel like I would go to Mississippi State and compete for a starting spot," he said. "Do what I gotta do, go to class and I think I'd get drafted in the NFL."
Basically he is saying that at OM he really will not have to compete and he wouldn't really have to go to class BUT he knows fromState coaches and current State players that coming to State means hard work.
I'm with Mullen on this in that I only want guys who know they are going to have to grind. Entitled guys now matter how talented will not benefit us. They will only destroy the culture of our program.
It was this culture of hard work that allowed a team that lost to S. Alabama to keep fighting and win back the Egg and win another bowl game. Lesser programs would have folded halfway through the season.
Lewis, Simmons, spencer, green, Thomas, Adams, Washington, jung, jones, and Thompson were all 4* on at least one site if I'm not mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Must be a Blue day.
I think you need both talent and hard workers and then you have them play off of each other. Ole Miss made it to the Sugar Bowl even though they didn't work as hard as our guys for a reason. Yeah- they cheated and that was part of it, but they also had guys that could make plays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
I think if you have too many guys that are entitled then I think eventually you are right things will cave in- like Ole Miss this year and probably going forward. But if you don't have enough talent then you also have a more difficult time matching up against the other teams in the SEC.
So, there has to be a balance between the two. We need some guys with some swag. BAD.
There's some smoke here. For the record I don't expect a FSU offer.
Great. And how many of those guys have actually performed up that level so far? Simmons and Lewis. The rest remain to be seen. Plus several of those guys are going to be stuck behind the JUCO's because of Dan's play the upperclassmen the majority of the time policy except in rare instances.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We need more than a front seven even though yes that is an important part of the team. We need to be a more complete team throughout the recruiting process and not be good at 2-3 spots and then terrible at the other spots on the team.
He's not getting FSU offer. If he decommits, MSU is in a great spot. Let's make sure he OVs
What are we recruiting him as?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
We'll definitely let him prove he can't play WR before he tries anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Now you have my attention. I think we're both in agreement that an OV would mean that there really is something to this possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Of course you want as much talent as you can have but you will never out talent Bama and LSU. There is a reason why OM could beat Bama but failed to take the next obvious step in actually winning he SEC West.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I'll take the kid if he knows he is going to have to work hard but we don't need any more Quay Evans or John Michael Hankerson types. How much of the coaches time and energy do these knuckle heads take up? No thanks. Make sure they know what they are getting into from the jump.
Nice. Get him on campus and anything can happenQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Or Josh Robinson and Bear Wilson. We don't want any more of those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
yes it is butt,sirmon will still be coaching them.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Please remind me of how highly recruited JRob and Bear were because I forgot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Anyone know why he doesn't have an fsu offer? Just no room for him in their class? From his comments, I gather that we will have a chance at him if they don't offer
I think he's offer fishing instead of being honest on committing if they offer. FSU is on other kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
So we only want a player with swag if they don't have any other power five offers. That's sounds very Hevesy. Robinson would have had some if he wasn't an academic risk and Bear certainly would have had them if he had been playing football longer. We can't make a living beating the bushes and letting the other talented players go off to other places and best us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Hopefully offer fishing to get the hell away from Ole Miss and not offer fishing to play the recruiting game. Unless he has one from us already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
And to add- the fact of the matter is if you look at MSU and Ole Miss since 2013 we've had almost identical success on the field doing it both ways. I picked 2013 because that was the first year that Freeze and Ole Miss got their 2013 class that ran concurrently with how we do things. Biggest difference is our style is more sustainable only because it doesn't lead to crippling probation. It doesn't change the fact that of we don't bring in more talent we won't advance much beyond what we already have which is better than probation but also not reaching our ceiling. We need to add talent to the work ethic blue collar guys to reach our ceiling. The blue collar hard working guys will need to help keep the talented guys in line and hopefully the swag guys can elevate the blue collar guys level of play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
See Deion Sanders when he joined the 49ers in 1994.
He would be 100 percent committed to OM if it were not for the uncertainty with the NCAA. The effects of the uncertainty is hurting their recruiting worse than the actual punishment will. I hope this goes on another 2 years before they announce sanctions and penaltys.
I will say this... if we would really push the NCAA stuff with him and recruit him really hard then we would get him. Will we do that? Not sure.