So Our Players Think They are Playing Hard? Viewer Discretion Advised

Jake Wimberly has being a wonderful job on twitter pointing out why this team sucks.

Folks, we have an effort & heart problem. I'm really not sure how more experience fixes this. Do these guys deserve to wear the maroon & white?

Should fans support this? I really want to believe Mullen can turn it around, but I don't know. Can you teach heart? Looks like he recruited some duds

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Yea ... I've been watching this stuff. Sad ain't it?

The first one was enough for me. Little effort.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Yea ... I've been watching this stuff. Sad ain't it?

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Yes it is. This is what makes me concerned about weather Mullen can turn this ship around. As far as I can tell, he's got bad apples & I don't know how you fix that.

If these kids don't have enough self pride to be completely humiliated by what's in these videos, I'm not sure a coach can do anything.

Problem is, in order to fix things, Mullen will have to revamp the roster & I'm not sure he has time to do that. Revamping a roster take at least 2 to 3 years.

Defensively, it reminds me of Auburn last year...but with less talent. Remember the Auburn LSU game last year? That defense in that game reminds me of our D. No fire, lazy, bad tackling, bad technique.

Bad players with not enough talent and no leadership. Still, I just have a vision of 2015 baseball in my head. If Dan starts a real youth movement (which seems to be bubbling), and hitting the JUCOs heavy, I think a big retooling is already in the works. No way to compete for a title like '16 baseball - but not some epic 3 year rebuild some are predicting.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Bad players with not enough talent and no leadership. Still, I just have a vision of 2015 baseball in my head. If Dan starts a real youth movement (which seems to be bubbling), and hitting the JUCOs heavy, I think a big retooling is already in the works. No way to compete for a title like '16 baseball - but not some epic 3 year rebuild some are predicting.

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Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

Someone needs to ask. Why are they playing if they do not want to give effort? Where does that begin? Did, "they," get together before the season and say, "we," ain't playing hard this year? If so, why?

It appears to me someone has lost respect.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Yes it is. This is what makes me concerned about weather Mullen can turn this ship around. As far as I can tell, he's got bad apples & I don't know how you fix that.

If these kids don't have enough self pride to be completely humiliated by what's in these videos, I'm not sure a coach can do anything.

Problem is, in order to fix things, Mullen will have to revamp the roster & I'm not sure he has time to do that. Revamping a roster take at least 2 to 3 years.

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I'm thinking some of those same thoughts. I said in another thread they tip-toeing thru the tulips and playing patti-cake on a significant amount of plays.

So my thoughts have been (and it has nothing to do with talent; those are some talented guys doing this stuff). I believe they've thrown in the towel; now the question is why?
1) Guys are afraid to make mistakes for some reason.
2) Guys are in horrible shape.
3) Guys are totally unsure on plays - not putting in effort watching film, etc.
And a big one:
4) Mullen has lost the team.

Every coach on this team has coached well quite often (except maybe Hev but he did ok with 2014 OL).

Just a few thoughts I've had. Something ain't right ... not sure what it is.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

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And we have also seen that we don't have to have them. And again, I'm not talking about winning the west, I'm talking about being back on track with the program.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

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Our last game of baseball this past year we started the following...

Mangum
Kruger
Lowe
Collins
Robson
Rooker
Marrero
Gridley
Holland

4 out of the 9 (44.4%) were newcomers. That number could've easily been higher if Alexander were healthy or if Cohen started stovall in place of Holland.

B-b-but random poster says they're playing hard. Not sure if serious***

Richie Brown has been garbage all year. He looks like he is in a pillow fight with only a feather.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Problem is that, like Auburn this year in football, the 2015 baseball team lost with top 10 recruiting classes on the field. This team doesn't have that

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Yes but ... some of those guys are 4* and good players. Gerri Green is talented. Bryant is talented. Peters is talented. JT Gray showed flashes of speed and talent 2 years ago. Richie has played very well in past. There are several like that (discounting Oline).

Some of those guys have played very well for us in the past for the most part. They ain't doing that now. Why??

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Yes but ... some of those guys are 4* and good players. Gerri Green is talented. Bryant is talented. Peters is talented. JT Gray showed flashes of speed and talent 2 years ago. Richie has played very well in past. There are several like that (discounting Oline).

Some of those guys have played very well for us in the past for the most part. They ain't doing that now. Why??

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You listed players all on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not crazy about the move to a 3-4, but I'm trying to be patient. Hopefully part of these guys' struggles are due to another DC and a new system

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Originally Posted by msstate7

You listed players all on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not crazy about the move to a 3-4, but I'm trying to be patient. Hopefully part of these guys' struggles are due to another DC and a new system

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Maybe .. but flat out pulling up and not hitting anyone. It's becoming quite frequent and obvious too. It's like they are almost afraid to get hurt at times.

On O side of ball it probably is talent with upperclassmen, except for Ross. It is primarily talent with Shump, Hollaway, Oline. Everyone else is pretty young.

ETA: So if I'm D coordinator I'd tell them whatever you decide to do, go balls out. Don't hesitate. We know the system is new to you and it will take some time to get it down pat but whatever you do ... go full speed and knock the shit outta someone dammit.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Maybe .. but flat out pulling up and not hitting anyone. It's becoming quite frequent and obvious too. It's like they are almost afraid to get hurt at times.

On O side of ball it probably is talent with upperclassmen, except for Ross. Shump, Hollaway, Oline. Everyone else is pretty young.

ETA: So if I'm D coordinator I'd tell them whatever you decide to do, go balls out. Don't hesitate. We know the system is new to you and it will take some time to get it down pat but whatever you do ... go full speed and hit someone dammit.

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I'm hoping a lot of the tentativeness on defense is a result of guys thinking too much with a new system

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I'm hoping a lot of the tentativeness on defense is a result of guys thinking too much with a new system

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Maybe you're right. So what do you think should happen after season with Sirmon & staff?

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Maybe you're right. So what do you think should happen after season with Sirmon & staff?

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I think we need to stick with Sirmon and the defensive staff. We're breaking in a new system without some of the pieces we need to run, but still #6 in sec in total defense. I think adding some nice JUCOs and the guys returning to the same system could pay dividends next season.

I want turnover on offensive staff, not defensive

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I think we need to stick with Sirmon and the defensive staff. We're breaking in a new system without some of the pieces we need to run, but still #6 in sec in total defense. I think adding some nice JUCOs and the guys returning to the same system could pay dividends next season.

I want turnover on offensive staff, not defensive

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I'll buy that. I'm really tired of D staff turnover and if the reason they're playing like this is as you say - then stick with it till they get it. I tended to think like you're thinking but some of the plays I've noticed have made me second guess that.

ETA: We may not have the personnel to run it against SEC W, but we do against 3 of the teams we've lost to. Without a doubt.

But wait, all the people here keep saying peters has to play? Why? He's not a corner. He's not. He's bad bad bad. And I'm being nice.

Motivating your players and putting them in the best position to succeed is a big part of coaching. This team is not only bad, they arent motivated. Why would they wanna be here if they know their coach tried to leave them?? Why would they give ''relentless effort'' and ''strain'' if Mullen didnt/hasn't??? Its obvious our offseason was garbage compared to the other ones. Had a o lineman that played center for Jackie tell me the other day that when we went to bowls under him in the mid 90s, those seasons we had 6 am workouts. The years we didnt?? We didnt go bowling

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

But wait, all the people here keep saying peters has to play? Why? He's not a corner. He's not. He's bad bad bad. And I'm being nice.

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Everybody's bad and is getting burnt/blown up at times. It ain't just Peters. It ain't Fitz QBing either. We put 38 up on Ky the other night. Should've been plenty to win the game.

Some players are not SEC players. I believe Peters will be, but he ain't yet.

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Originally Posted by GTHOM

Motivating your players and putting them in the best position to succeed is a big part of coaching. This team is not only bad, they arent motivated. Why would they wanna be here if they know their coach tried to leave them?? Why would they give ''relentless effort'' and ''strain'' if Mullen didnt/hasn't??? Its obvious our offseason was garbage compared to the other ones. Had a o lineman that played center for Jackie tell me the other day that when we went to bowls under him in the mid 90s, those seasons we had 6 am workouts. The years we didnt?? We didnt go bowling

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I do tend to believe Dan has lightened up on them in the off season. It's hard to change that course in mid-season. Now we stuck.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I'll buy that. I'm really tired of D staff turnover and if the reason they're playing like this is as you say - then stick with it till they get it. I tended to think like you're thinking but some of the plays I've noticed have made me second guess that.

ETA: We may not have the personnel to run it against SEC W, but we do against 3 of the teams we've lost to. Without a doubt.

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Hard to blame the defense for USA and byu losses... well certainly not byu. Defense is to blame for Kentucky though

You are correct state7.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Everybody's bad and is getting burnt/blown up at times. It ain't just Peters. It ain't Fitz QBing either. We put 38 up on Ky the other night. Should've been plenty to win the game.

Some players are not SEC players. I believe Peters will be, but he ain't yet.

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Peters will never be an sec corner. Been saying it for 2 months. That's not changing.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Peters will never be an sec corner. Been saying it for 2 months. That's not changing.

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Is there any place to put him or is he officially a bust?

Clear PMs BTW

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Peters will never be an sec corner. Been saying it for 2 months. That's not changing.

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Don't believe I ever said he'd be a corner. I said I believed he'd be an SEC caliber player. Right now the coaching he is receiving ain't helping a whole lot. They have had him all over the place.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Is there any place to put him or is he officially a bust?

Clear PMs BTW

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I think he's a hybrid lb type. If he can't play there then yeah, he is. Sorry just the truth

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Don't believe I ever said he'd be a corner. I said I believed he'd be an SEC caliber player. Right now the coaching he is receiving ain't helping a whole lot. They have had him all over the place.

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Well that's were he's playing and he's lost. So while he isn't the only one, he isn't good so there's that.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Well that's were he's playing and he's lost. So while he isn't the only one, he isn't good so there's that.

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He was lost in coverage as a safety as well but was a freshman. Right now still see his best spot as a husky type safety in run support.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

He was lost in coverage as a safety as well but was a freshman. Right now still see his best spot as a husky type safety in run support.

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Agree. See above. Hybrid lb.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Agree. See above. Hybrid lb.

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Yeah. Forgot to say I agree with that post as well

That guy lost all
Credibility on the first post. Smoke is coming full speed to the middle of the field to try and make a play and the guy cuts behind and smokey has to dive and try to make a play on him and he is talking about effort??? Complete bs calling smokey out on that one.

Our middle lb mr. Brown is god dang horrible and has been for two years now. He can't step in a hole and fill it up to stop the run and he can't get off a block to save his life.

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Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless

That guy lost all
Credibility on the first post. Smoke is coming full speed to the middle of the field to try and make a play and the guy cuts behind and smokey has to dive and try to make a play on him and he is talking about effort??? Complete bs calling smokey out on that one.

Our middle lb mr. Brown is god dang horrible and has been for two years now. He can't step in a hole and fill it up to stop the run and he can't get off a block to save his life.

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If you are following this guy and taking every word he says as gospel, well you got a total lack of football knowledge. Sure he gets some plays right, but many he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about scheme wise. Which is sorta the point.

I see guys out of position as opposed to lack of effort or hustle.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Peters will never be an sec corner. Been saying it for 2 months. That's not changing.

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You were dead on about peters being a corner. I thought there was a possibility but he just ain't a corner.

Sirmon is barely qualified to be a defensive position coach and we hired him to be our DC. Get what you pay for

After coaching myself over 25 years, I would have come by god unglued doing our self scout. I would embarass somebody and their ass would be sitting. You are not going to be on my defense playing like that , I don't give a damn who you are. That shit would be squashed big time and if they pouted their ass could go too. They damn sure aren't helping us now.