With post 4K I pose a question to the 8 remaining Mullen backers..

If Dan took an old metal golf spike to your face in a stomping fashion, would you allow him one or two more attempts to determine how bad the first one felt?

This analogy is essentially what he has done to our program, yet there are some who want to continue to allow it. It's beyond insanity.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

If Dan took an old metal golf spike to your face in a stomping fashion, would you allow him one or two more attempts to determine how bad the first one felt?

This analogy is essentially what he has done to our program, yet there are some who want to continue to allow it. It's beyond insanity.

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tell me again ... how many losing years has Mullen had other than the first year ? .......... What he has done for our program ???? I understand the frustration but this analogy is just way wrong ... if we diss on him then we could at least acknowledge what he has done for us.... I'm not necessarily a Mullen supporter but I am a realist

It's progress. I think the general consensus seems to be "he should get one more year but I wouldn't be mad if he left." That's a long way from Todd4State you are crazy for saying that Dan doesn't care anymore in December and that we will decline if Dan stays.

Are there 8 left? ***

I would be ok with giving him another year to show something IF the rumor of a verbal between Dan and another school (that RP posted) isn't true.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Are there 8 left? ***

I would be ok with giving him another year to show something IF the rumor of a verbal between Dan and another school (that RP posted) isn't true.

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Trying to give benefit of the doubt with how close our most recent moral victory was.

I'm with Todd4state. He has earned another year but if he leaves I'm good with it.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

If Dan took an old metal golf spike to your face in a stomping fashion, would you allow him one or two more attempts to determine how bad the first one felt?

This analogy is essentially what he has done to our program, yet there are some who want to continue to allow it. It's beyond insanity.

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Goodness, you people have lost your minds.

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Originally Posted by FISHDAWG

tell me again ... how many losing years has Mullen had other than the first year ? .......... What he has done for our program ???? I understand the frustration but this analogy is just way wrong ... if we diss on him then we could at least acknowledge what he has done for us.... I'm not necessarily a Mullen supporter but I am a realist

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Well let me ask this question, u say dont dismiss him cause what he has done for us, what is his record against ranked teams, this is is 8th year and this is the team he puts on the field, we going to be in the 30s again with this 2017 class, what gives anybody hope next year we are turning the corner, it is going to be the same team that is going to be at best 3 wins back on the field.we have had really one good year under him, last year we won 9 games but how many of those even had a winning record. I for one think it is time to not be ok with just beating our 4 non conf games and beating kentucky,mizzo, vandy and going to a bowel.he is 0 and 7 against al,1 and 7 against lsu,2 and 5 against au,2 and 5 against ark.I am not trying to be down or start a argument, but would we really be that bad if we let him go.I mean if just reaching a bowel game is what most msu fans want then dan is ur man, but me i want to compete with teams other than kentucky.

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Originally Posted by smootness

Goodness, you people have lost your minds.

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Dude, if you can't see that the only reason we aren't winning the sec year-in, year-out is mullen, I can't help you. I mean, we pay 4 million a year**

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Originally Posted by dawg27

Well let me ask this question, u say dont dismiss him cause what he has done for us, what is his record against ranked teams, this is is 8th year and this is the team he puts on the field, we going to be in the 30s again with this 2017 class, what gives anybody hope next year we are turning the corner, it is going to be the same team that is going to be at best 3 wins back on the field.we have had really one good year under him, last year we won 9 games but how many of those even had a winning record. I for one think it is time to not be ok with just beating our 4 non conf games and beating kentucky,mizzo, vandy and going to a bowel.he is 0 and 7 against al,1 and 7 against lsu,2 and 5 against au,2 and 5 against ark.I am not trying to be down or start a argument, but would we really be that bad if we let him go.I mean if just reaching a bowel game is what most msu fans want then dan is ur man, but me i want to compete with teams other than kentucky.

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3-5 against AU 2-2 the last 4 years and 4-3 against Ark 4 straight. 5 teams of our 9 wins had winning records.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

3-5 against AU 2-2 the last 4 years and 4-3 against Ark 4 straight. 5 teams of our 9 wins had winning records.

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I did not realize we beat au 3 times, Ok what do u see that dan is going to turn this around, and i am trying to be sarcastic what do u think, i so hope he can, i am not trying to throw the bus at dan i just think that after 8 yrs we should be better than we are,

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Originally Posted by dawg27

I did not realize we beat au 3 times, Ok what do u see that dan is going to turn this around, and i am trying to be sarcastic what do u think, i so hope he can, i am not trying to throw the bus at dan i just think that after 8 yrs we should be better than we are,

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Just to address the 8 year deal, that is an arbitrary number as many good coaches have a down year at some arbitrary point. Should Michigan St fire Dantonio, he is in year 10? There have been multiple coaches who have had a losing season or even more and bounce back. Gary Patterson at TCU had a Losing season in year 5 and went 4-8 in year 14, etc. The arbitrary, we shouldn't have X record in a coaches X year is not a justified argument.

My main thing has been the season has to play out and we should have open discussions at that time. A lot of what is said is emotional posts because we are struggling, the interview with Miami eroded some of the positives he built (which when he was first hired 95% of the fans were more than ok with us being a stepping stone school) or agenda narratives that have been pushed since 2013.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Just to address the 8 year deal, that is an arbitrary number as many good coaches have a down year at some arbitrary point. Should Michigan St fire Dantonio, he is in year 10? There have been multiple coaches who have had a losing season or even more and bounce back. Gary Patterson at TCU had a Losing season in year 5 and went 4-8 in year 14, etc. The arbitrary, we shouldn't have X record in a coaches X year is not a justified argument.

My main thing has been the season has to play out and we should have open discussions at that time. A lot of what is said is emotional posts because we are struggling, the interview with Miami eroded some of the positives he built (which when he was first hired 95% of the fans were more than ok with us being a stepping stone school) or agenda narratives that have been pushed since 2013.

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U make a good point, alot of it is people are emotional about it i know i am. i am down i guess but on the other hand i am not so down that we have a down year i just am upset that we are this down. but u right he has done good things so i guess we should just this play out.we have 6 games left lets see how he gets this team to respond.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Just to address the 8 year deal, that is an arbitrary number as many good coaches have a down year at some arbitrary point. Should Michigan St fire Dantonio, he is in year 10? There have been multiple coaches who have had a losing season or even more and bounce back. Gary Patterson at TCU had a Losing season in year 5 and went 4-8 in year 14, etc. The arbitrary, we shouldn't have X record in a coaches X year is not a justified argument.

My main thing has been the season has to play out and we should have open discussions at that time. A lot of what is said is emotional posts because we are struggling, the interview with Miami eroded some of the positives he built (which when he was first hired 95% of the fans were more than ok with us being a stepping stone school) or agenda narratives that have been pushed since 2013.

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I don't think it's the wins and losses for most people. It's that we look totally unprepared for any game we've been in this year except for USCe and possibly BYU. The impression is that DM doesn't care. I'm ok with a team that is trying but losing. I'm not ok with a team that appears to be going thru the motions because the coach is possibly looking for another job. I was watching the Auburn game with my 75 year old mother. She's been a State fan for as long as I can remember and loves to watch MSU football, basketball, and baseball. While flipping between games she basically said she couldn't understand why all the other teams had players that appeared to be hitting, tackling, and hustling while ours appeared to just be on the field not caring.

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Originally Posted by msstatelp1

I don't think it's the wins and losses for most people. It's that we look totally unprepared for any game we've been in this year except for USCe and possibly BYU. The impression is that DM doesn't care. I'm ok with a team that is trying but losing. I'm not ok with a team that appears to be going thru the motions because the coach is possibly looking for another job. I was watching the Auburn game with my 75 year old mother. She's been a State fan for as long as I can remember and loves to watch MSU football, basketball, and baseball. While flipping between games she basically said she couldn't understand why all the other teams had players that appeared to be hitting, tackling, and hustling while ours appeared to just be on the field not caring.

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I get what you are saying but a struggling team looks that way. TCU's 4-8 year had near losses and a blow out loss to a 5-7 Texas, lost to a 4-8 WVU, barely beat a 3-9 Iowa State team, etc. A team struggling looks like that.

Fishdawg, is your quote at the bottom of your post supposed to be a slap at c34 or to make him look smart?
C-34: on NOV 30, 2015

"But if you think we overachieved this season- you are an idiot. If Mullen wins more than 6 next year- that will be overachieving".

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Originally Posted by msstatelp1

I don't think it's the wins and losses for most people. It's that we look totally unprepared for any game we've been in this year except for USCe and possibly BYU. The impression is that DM doesn't care. I'm ok with a team that is trying but losing. I'm not ok with a team that appears to be going thru the motions because the coach is possibly looking for another job. I was watching the Auburn game with my 75 year old mother. She's been a State fan for as long as I can remember and loves to watch MSU football, basketball, and baseball. While flipping between games she basically said she couldn't understand why all the other teams had players that appeared to be hitting, tackling, and hustling while ours appeared to just be on the field not caring.

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Yes. It's how we look. Totally unprepared, not tough, won't hit folks, mental errors, etc. Like they ain't even coached.

Having said that, I also want to do better against OM, TAM, and LSU. Would like to beat Bama once every 6 or so years but have given up on that one. But losing like we do so consistently against the others is not something I think should be happening. In other words, 7 years from now I don't want it to be 6 - 42 or whatever against those 4 teams since TAM & Freeze came into the league. This year is shaping up like another 0-fer year against those 4 teams.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

If Dan took an old metal golf spike to your face in a stomping fashion, would you allow him one or two more attempts to determine how bad the first one felt?

This analogy is essentially what he has done to our program, yet there are some who want to continue to allow it. It's beyond insanity.

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A ridiculous post....

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

If Dan took an old metal golf spike to your face in a stomping fashion, would you allow him one or two more attempts to determine how bad the first one felt?

This analogy is essentially what he has done to our program, yet there are some who want to continue to allow it. It's beyond insanity.

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What coach, that MSU would want, would come here if Mullen was fired this year after what he has achieved at MSU, when people said there was no way he could be successful here? In addition, putting Dak and other players in the NFL. Seems like all the people supposedly in the know, said this would not be a good year, after Dak, but some of us didn't believe it. If Mullen shows his loyalty to MSU and shows that he wants to be a Bulldog, and makes some necessary coaching changes and puts recruiting on a top priority, then I'm for giving him the opportunity to right the ship. Unless something just goes really crazy between now and the end of the season, I just don't even see a remote possibility of Dr. Keenum making a change.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Dude, if you can't see that the only reason we aren't winning the sec year-in, year-out is mullen, I can't help you. I mean, we pay 4 million a year**

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Uh, right now we are 1-2 OUTSIDE the SEC. And in the one win we do have we gave up 35 points to one of the worst offenses in FBS.

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Originally Posted by dawg27

Well let me ask this question, u say dont dismiss him cause what he has done for us, what is his record against ranked teams, this is is 8th year and this is the team he puts on the field, we going to be in the 30s again with this 2017 class, what gives anybody hope next year we are turning the corner, it is going to be the same team that is going to be at best 3 wins back on the field.we have had really one good year under him, last year we won 9 games but how many of those even had a winning record. I for one think it is time to not be ok with just beating our 4 non conf games and beating kentucky,mizzo, vandy and going to a bowel.he is 0 and 7 against al,1 and 7 against lsu,2 and 5 against au,2 and 5 against ark.I am not trying to be down or start a argument, but would we really be that bad if we let him go.I mean if just reaching a bowel game is what most msu fans want then dan is ur man, but me i want to compete with teams other than kentucky.

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Please give us the coach, or coaches' names who would come here if Mullen was fired this year? I'll hang up and listen.

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Originally Posted by dawg27

U make a good point, alot of it is people are emotional about it i know i am. i am down i guess but on the other hand i am not so down that we have a down year i just am upset that we are this down. but u right he has done good things so i guess we should just this play out.we have 6 games left lets see how he gets this team to respond.

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How long have you been following State? If this is THIS DOWN, couldn't have been too long. We will bounce back at some point might be next year or it could end up being another 7-8 year end of Sherrill/Croom purgatory. Let's hope for next year.

If I thought we could get a good coach if Mullen left, I'd be ok with him leaving. But, when Western Michigan's coach is the best option, no thanks! I would rather have Mullen for another year and hold on to a decent recruiting class (even if Juco heavy) with a good QB. There just aren't going to be any good options with the number of jobs opening up this year.

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Originally Posted by DanDority

Fishdawg, is your quote at the bottom of your post supposed to be a slap at c34 or to make him look smart?
C-34: on NOV 30, 2015

"But if you think we overachieved this season- you are an idiot. If Mullen wins more than 6 next year- that will be overachieving".

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at the time I was arguing that this year would be better than last year...he disagreed and he was right - I'm enough of a man to say I was wrong and I left this quote on my signature to show that

Is it confirmed that he interviewed with Miami last year? I know that's always been the speculation, but sometimes when speculation is speculated long enough, it becomes fact, regardless of the truth.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Just to address the 8 year deal, that is an arbitrary number as many good coaches have a down year at some arbitrary point. Should Michigan St fire Dantonio, he is in year 10? There have been multiple coaches who have had a losing season or even more and bounce back. Gary Patterson at TCU had a Losing season in year 5 and went 4-8 in year 14, etc. The arbitrary, we shouldn't have X record in a coaches X year is not a justified argument.

My main thing has been the season has to play out and we should have open discussions at that time. A lot of what is said is emotional posts because we are struggling, the interview with Miami eroded some of the positives he built (which when he was first hired 95% of the fans were more than ok with us being a stepping stone school) or agenda narratives that have been pushed since 2013.

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Originally Posted by shrimp

Is it confirmed that he interviewed with Miami last year? I know that's always been the speculation, but sometimes when speculation is speculated long enough, it becomes fact, regardless of the truth.

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Yes. Stricklin even acknowledged it publically. He didn't interview with anyone else though. Maryland was strickly made up by one of their 247 site guys, Rutgers was never true some just tried to make a false theory since his former agent graduated from their, Georgia was Smart's expecially after Herman pulled out (they called about him being one of the next level of candidates but no interview)

Thanks for the color. Didn't realize Strick confirmed it.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Yes. Stricklin even acknowledged it publically. He didn't interview with anyone else though. Maryland was strickly made up by one of their 247 site guys, Rutgers was never true some just tried to make a false theory since his former agent graduated from their, Georgia was Smart's expecially after Herman pulled out (they called about him being one of the next level of candidates but no interview)

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

If I thought we could get a good coach if Mullen left, I'd be ok with him leaving. But, when Western Michigan's coach is the best option, no thanks! I would rather have Mullen for another year and hold on to a decent recruiting class (even if Juco heavy) with a good QB. There just aren't going to be any good options with the number of jobs opening up this year.

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Western Michigan's coach is going to be a great coach for someone with a lot more prestige than Western Michigan by this time next year. He has a real chance to go undefeated there this year.

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Originally Posted by BB30

How long have you been following State? If this is THIS DOWN, couldn't have been too long. We will bounce back at some point might be next year or it could end up being another 7-8 year end of Sherrill/Croom purgatory. Let's hope for next year.

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I been following state a long time, had season tickets the last fifteen years so i have seen a lot of down years, my point and i am not trying to be negative i just think that 8 yrs with one coach we should not be this down. But i am not by no means giving up i just thought we have finally moved on from 3-4 wins a season.