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Dear: obviously smn went on off the field. Does anybody know how long before he is out of dog house? Talk about a waste of a playmaker on a team with very few playmakers.
Gibson/Murphy: are they just not ready mentally yet? Or are they not as good as we were led to believe, especially Gibson who had a committable bama offer?
Lee: I don't know wth is going on here. I know he missed a curfew or smn a year ago, but can we not give him a five play package just to see if he can help us?
There is more going on than just missing a curfew or some minor team rule violation. Some of it is continuous, some stuff is more significant violations. Throw in some head case issues with 1 or 2 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Gibson too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I thought we recruited only high character kids who had their acts together? And bought into the hard work and discipline approach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
As WMD alluded to yesterday, it's possible that the young guys not playing isn't just a Mullenism and actually justified. Look at Aeris on Saturday: he fumbled and busted two plays by running the wrong way on a handoff and whiffing in pass protection, all in the few snaps he was on the field, in his third year with the team. If he's beating out Gibson and Murphy for playing time then they can't be doing much better. It's starting to seem like a very real possibility that none of these guys are actually ready to play, in which case system over-complexity and/or poor position coaching need to be considered in addition to Mullen's stubborn loyalty to upperclassmen.
Y'all do realize that Dear started Saturday night, right???
How many touches did he get?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
No I didn't realize that. But it doesn't change anything. He supposedly is one of about 3 playmakers on offense. He needs 5-7 touches a game minimumQuote:
Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg
Points noted. But could we not give them a five play package to learn just to see if they can help us? I don't need them to know every pass pro or the whole offense to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Maybe some of these guys just don't want to work hard enough to learn and get better. When I watched Dak Sunday I thought about how he played as a freshman. He got where he is with a lot of hard work and studying.
Whatever is going on with these guys it still falls on the coaches to do whatever it takes to get the talented guys on the field but I find it hard to believe that our system is so complicated that after 2 full years Aeris wasn't coached well enough to do the things he couldn't do Saturday night. To me that also shows lack of effort on the part of the player.
Guess what if we give them a 5 play package other teams will figure it out real quick and key on that when they come in.
I don't think a 5 play package implies run the same five plays over and over again. It implies run the 5 plays and get one of your better playmakers (assuming they are a better playmaker) 3 to 4 touches.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
It wouldn't be the same plays every week. This happens all over America, often times for quarterbacks. I'm not saying it's the cure-all, I'm just trying to suggest ways to see if these guys can help us without knowing our entire offense. Simplify it for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless
I assume you are not talking about 5 plays for each of those you mentioned? You can't spend a third of your play calls in a game for that type of experimenting.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Dear is never going to do a damn thing for us until he gives up the ghost at WR and commits full time to being a RB. MFer ain't Percy Harvin. I'm not sure if its on him for being stubborn or on our coaches for trying to either fulfill recruiting promises or they actually think he can play that role. Either way, something's gotta give. Will be the biggest waste of talent in awhile if we can't figure that out by the time he's an upperclassmen.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
Isn't Dear on record saying he'll do whatever, and it's Mullen who's been adamant about him staying at WR?Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Only one I recall was a KR. Didn't watch close enough to see how much he played, if he got open, or if he was targeted any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
I have no idea, but that would be yet another major screw up in our personnel management.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Dear shouldn't need a package. He just needs to play a lot once he is out of the doghouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I'm talking about one of our backs, most likely Gibson.
Agreed. He/we are wasting himQuote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
We have a bunch of backup Sec Rbs top to bottom
And we need to cut bait for sure with one if not 2 of these guys
And if a couple of these guys are SEC backs and they aren't ready yet then we need to cut bait with RB coach
And finally if the staff knew this would be an issue after last year why did we not go out and find a juco back that could give us some productive snaps and carries
#countryclubboys
And with Dear rumor has it Dear knows now that RB is where he can get more touches let's see what if anything is done about it
Delete....wrong thread
Almost a year ago I posted this and we still have no answers:Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
I'm a bit confused on what is actually happening with our running backs. Shump is Shump and now that we know his limitations, he should be put in a position to play to his strengths going forward. After him it's Lee and Williams and they're not seeing the field. Do we have confidence that either of them will develop into a SEC running back or are they limited as well? Is there problem a physical limitation or is it more of a mental thing with them? After that we have Gibson and he was great in high school, but we don't know how he will pan out. We aren't after any running backs for the current class, but 2017 looks good. Only problem is that is several years away and we need help now. Will we see a Juco running back in the mix to possibly bridge the gap or do we have what we have?
http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread...ht=alec+murphy
Dear could do plenty for us at WR. Not as much as he could do at RB, but the main problem is we've got to call his number at WR. Sweeps, bubble screens, whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
I don't buy the "Rb's don't know pass protection" excuse. That is a copout, and I'm tired of seeing it mentioned. Fact is, we have 3 or 4 guys that are better at running the ball into traffic than the guy that's been assigned the role. There's simply no sensible explanation to benching 4 guys that need to be getting some game experience.
Dear, doghouse.
Murphy, doghouse for career.
Lee, fumblitis.
No clue about Gibson.
I think it's been overblown by both sides of the argument. And I get tired of the it's a copout side blowing it off just as much. But if you couldn't see the instances last weekend of missing assignments and blocks then you are just blinded by what you want to see. And no Holloway is not superior in pass blocking, just his size makes that absurd. But he knows his assignments more consistantly than the others and has the best hands as far as security. Even before the season I stated I wanted Williams to be the feature and still thinks it will happen but he is making glaring mistakes that is severely limiting his ability to get on the field.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
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Originally Posted by Political Hack
Nothing is wrong, Dan won't let them play because he has 2 senior RB's.
We have 6 RBs who have been on campus long enough to reasonably expect them to be able to play. Holloway can do pretty much everything but be bigger than 160 lbs. Shump can do everything but run the ball. That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. But then we have Aeris, D Lee, Murphy, and Gibson who can't get on the field. With a streak like this, it seems like a coach should be fired. Either we have been awful in recruiting at the easiest position to recruit to for MSU, or we are doing an awful job with developing players. Out of 5 players over 4 recruiting classes, you completely strike out on finding somebody that can be an everydown back (I say 5 b/c Holloway is capable of doing exactly what he was recruited to do)? That's not bad luck. That's incompetence that somebody needs to answer for (somebody besides Holloway getting killed having to do the job that one or two of the other 5 should be doing).Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
A fumble and two busted plays in only a few times more than that on the field Saturday night for Williams, and you think there's nothing wrong there? Dan's stubborn but he isn't stupid. Favoring upperclassmen is part of the equation no doubt, but it's never the whole story.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Definitely agree we need playmakers. Just not seeing where a 5-9 , 220+ lb , 4.7 forty WR is helping us? Cause, those are his numbers and his forty was slower than that not too long ago. Maybe thats why he's not playing as much? Dear has not been the same player since his 11th grade yr in HS. He has gained a ton of weight and its really hurt him. A miniature "Dontae".
Sure wish I knew what happened here....Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I would like to see Shumpert as our feature back. Occasionally, motion Dear and Mixon into the backfield as the TB with Shumpert as the blocking back.
This ^. Before the game I thought it was just an excuse until I saw RB whiffing on blocks left and right. But to the other side of the argument, we need to stop calling plays that require that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
He didn't look that slow last year against A&M. Not much of a sample size, but he looked like a game changer at that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madisonmd
Dear is in the doghouse but actually drew the start for the LSU game? This would be so Mullen...Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I think Holloway had 5 carries Saturday ...
Once again we don't have a feature SEC back whatwver the reasons are..
And if we do then Knox should be fired last year for not having him ready
The coach speak "learning the system " is just that coach speak .. I think junior college transfer Ballard understood the "complex" offense pretty fast ..
That's why we have to close on these 2 backs this year..
That is correct. I've been telling this board for 2 years we don't have Jerious Norwood or Vick Ballard sitting on the bench. Yes, we haven't used Holloway correctly this year, but there are issues with the other guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Just need to give the ball to Shump and get Dear, Mixon and Holloway occasional carries.
Kylin Hill and ????Quote:
Originally Posted by mic