What if the NCAA accused OM of hiring Freeze with the sole purpose of cheating?

I wouldn't be scared to lay down good money on that theory. What experience did he have coming in to lead a D-1 SEC football program? He was OC 1 year at Ark St. under Malzhon and 1 year HC at Ark St. His experience was knowing how the "network" operated and he had the personality for it to operate and hide behind. The fact the NCAA was knee deep at OM after his first year on the job speaks volumes. Or, maybe the descrepancies under Freeze were uncovered while looking into other sports and previous coaching staffs. Either way, Freeze was knee deep in recruiting in Orgeron's 1st year and he knew the intricacies of how the "network" operated. No one will every convince me of anything different in the hiring of Freeze. He was brought in to do exactly what they have done, cheat!

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I would think that the NCAA has to keep its written allegations within the framework of its written rule structure - what is permissible and what isn't permissible. I would doubt the NCAA can create a written allegation that goes into the hypothetical or theoretical.

FACT: After Nutt was booted, Ole Miss had a problem finding a guy to take the job.

They hired Freeze because Freeze wanted it and they had no better choice.

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Originally Posted by Bodaski

What if the NCAA accused OM of hiring Freeze with the sole purpose of cheating? I wouldn't be scared to lay down good money on that theory.

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I bet you'd be surprised if you knew exactly how many people shared your feelings. I have thought the exact same thing for a while.

Ole Miss did know what get where getting with Freeze. He was Orgeron's recruiting coordinator. Orgeron wrote the book. Freeze was his prot?g

They knew what they were doing for sure, but the NCAA could never develop any level of reliable evidence for an accusation like that. That could honestly spell the death penalty for the NCAA if they did that. The NCAA is a paper tiger regardless. They're only as powerful as its members allow them to be.

Rev Hugh Chizik was hired in response to OM losing three Egg Bowls in a row. I doubt if any thoughtful person thinks the last OM couching hire was made without an intention to rectify their recent slide, by any means necessary.

The lead men in hiring Freeze were Archie and Fed Ex Fred. Big money and been around the cheating since the Vaught days. Archie was a MSU fan in his younger days, but he couldn't turn down the Vaught deal. Young man who's daddy had just committed suicide and left a family that needed to be taken care of, not a hard choice.

I don't know why it's hard to believe. They fired David Cutcliff because he wouldn't play like the "network" wanted him to.

Fred Smith isn't nearly as involved with om as you seem to believe. Touhy was the ring leader for freeze

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Originally Posted by MrKotter

Fred Smith isn't nearly as involved with om as you seem to believe. Touhy was the ring leader for freeze

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Could be, that's certainly believable and the more I think about it highly likely. But as far as Touhy is concerned, it must be unbelievable to be married to smoking hot Sandra Bullock.*****

It's my opinion that once they got to Freeze (after others turned them down) the booster decision makers made sure Freeze "understood" the situation: Identify the targets, let the Network 'go to work' and stay out of it and coach football.

Stretch to think NCAA would find that, but it's absolutely what happened.

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Originally Posted by Bodaski

I wouldn't be scared to lay down good money on that theory. What experience did he have coming in to lead a D-1 SEC football program? He was OC 1 year at Ark St. under Malzhon and 1 year HC at Ark St. His experience was knowing how the "network" operated and he had the personality for it to operate and hide behind. The fact the NCAA was knee deep at OM after his first year on the job speaks volumes. Or, maybe the descrepancies under Freeze were uncovered while looking into other sports and previous coaching staffs. Either way, Freeze was knee deep in recruiting in Orgeron's 1st year and he knew the intricacies of how the "network" operated. No one will every convince me of anything different in the hiring of Freeze. He was brought in to do exactly what they have done, cheat!

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Good ole Arch knew....

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

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Not at all.

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Originally Posted by MrKotter

Fred Smith isn't nearly as involved with om as you seem to believe. Touhy was the ring leader for freeze

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Taco Chico and FredEx know each other well. Infer from that what you will.

It's not only a stretch, it's a FAR stretch........From the standpoint that that's why they hired him, why heck yeah that's plausible but expecting the NCAA to punish them for hiring him is, well stupid.

This started with Boone being ousted. Boone was not allowing the network to perform as intended. He had to go first....

#ForwardRebels

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Originally Posted by Saltydog

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How is that a stretch? It glosses over the fact that they had few decent options at the time, but I think it's pretty obvious that freeze knowing how they recruited and being ok with it were significant factors in him getting the job.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

The lead men in hiring Freeze were Archie and Fed Ex Fred. Big money and been around the cheating since the Vaught days. Archie was a MSU fan in his younger days, but he couldn't turn down the Vaught deal. Young man who's daddy had just committed suicide and left a family that needed to be taken care of, not a hard choice.

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To be factual Archie's dad committed suicide AFTER his freshman year ? ? ?

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

How is that a stretch? It glosses over the fact that they had few decent options at the time, but I think it's pretty obvious that freeze knowing how they recruited and being ok with it were significant factors in him getting the job.

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Exactly what I tried to imply in my original post. Yea he knew and was fine with it just to get his chance and in so doing taking a slight chance of getting caught. All of that thinking was watching how the NCAA had failed on other deals recently.

It's definitely a stretch, but it could happen if there was a "secret witness", ala Phil Phulmer....

No way they would be dumb enough to admit they hired Freeze to cheat even though that is the case. I suppose their original plan was to hire Tony Dungy and tell him not to worry about recruiting because that would take care of itself.

As others have said Ole Miss will turn on people if they start losing. Ask Houston Nutt or the multiple others they have turned on. Here's hoping they do indeed start off 1-3 because then it could get pretty interesting.

Isn't (hasn't) Touhy's daughter marrying Fred Smith's son.

Anyone remember Orgeron saying he was " Going to build a fence around Memphis".

Of course he should have said "Beaver Dam", but you get the point.

I expressed a very similar opinion on here a few weeks ago. My theory includes his "preacher" persona as a smokescreen for outside entities like SEC office, NCAA, some of their gullible fans, and for church mothers of recruits. I'm all in with your idea.

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Originally Posted by RIdog

To be factual Archie's dad committed suicide AFTER his freshman year ? ? ?

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After googling it I found that you are correct, sir, thank you.

If the NCAA "accused" UNM of hiring Freeze to cheat....UNM would deny having a coach Freeze and refer them to their law firm in wherever it is this week.

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Originally Posted by AlmostPositive

Rev Hugh Chizik was hired in response to OM losing three Egg Bowls in a row. I doubt if any thoughtful person thinks the last OM couching hire was made without an intention to rectify their recent slide, by any means necessary.

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^^^ This cat thinks like me. When Auburn hired Chizik, it didn't pass the funny-look test. Just seemed weird. Lo and behold, the guy wins a natty, maybe the worst coach to ever do so. I learned a lesson --- and apparently some UOM folks noticed, too. The feeling was familiar when UNM announced Freeze. Who? EXACTLY! The proverbial fat girl at prom. They were following the Auburn model, and who can blame them?

Will the NCAA do anything? They didn't at Auburn.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

After googling it I found that you are correct, sir, thank you.

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Yeah , i was friends with Bob White (QB from Meridian) who was in the same class as Archie and actually much higher regarded coming out of high school but was injured in the high school all star game and never was the same . Plus we bartended together in the 70's and i heard plenty of stories . :)

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Originally Posted by BHildreth3

It's my opinion that once they got to Freeze (after others turned them down) the booster decision makers made sure Freeze "understood" the situation: Identify the targets, let the Network 'go to work' and stay out of it and coach football.

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I remember the talk about Freeze calling Archie and begging for the job. I think it was pretty well documented this occurred if I remember correctly. It was pretty well known Freeze was politicking pretty hard for the job, while the "network" we're still searching.

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Originally Posted by Bodaski

I remember the talk about Freeze calling Archie and begging for the job. I think it was pretty well documented this occurred if I remember correctly. It was pretty well known Freeze was politicking pretty hard for the job, while the "network" we're still searching.

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I think their original plan was to use Archie's connections to get Tony Dungy to coach Ole Miss but Dungy wouldn't do it. That tells me that at least part of their plan was to get a clean cut ultra Christian guy to front the program while they cheat behind closed doors. It's the "we don't cheat- we're Christian" fa?ade. To go along with the "If you accuse us of cheating you're evil" meme. Of course having a NFL guy like Dungy would make pulling in guys like Treadwell and Tunsil more believable as well. Which is a big sticking point that they have right now- how could a Sun Belt coach go 7-6 and then haul in a top 5 recruiting class in one cycle?

It would be interesting to see if Freeze was over the top holier than thou at Arkansas State. Freeze was definitely their fall back plan because they wanted a big NFL type name like Dungy or Gruden.

I do know that Freeze wasn't their first choice.

"It's not what you did- It's what you can prove"

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Originally Posted by Bodaski

I remember the talk about Freeze calling Archie and begging for the job. I think it was pretty well documented this occurred if I remember correctly. It was pretty well known Freeze was politicking pretty hard for the job, while the "network" we're still searching.

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A text message surfaced that Hugh Freeze accidentally sent to Archie's old phone number inquiring about the job.

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Originally Posted by msbulldog

The lead men in hiring Freeze were Archie and Fed Ex Fred. Big money and been around the cheating since the Vaught days. Archie was a MSU fan in his younger days, but he couldn't turn down the Vaught deal. Young man who's daddy had just committed suicide and left a family that needed to be taken care of, not a hard choice.

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Actually it was Mike Glenn. Mr Smith doesn't give two hoots about OleMiss.

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Originally Posted by benbow

Isn't (hasn't) Touhy's daughter marrying Fred Smith's son.

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Yes

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^^^ This cat thinks like me. When Auburn hired Chizik, it didn't pass the funny-look test. Just seemed weird. Lo and behold, the guy wins a natty, maybe the worst coach to ever do so. I learned a lesson --- and apparently some UOM folks noticed, too. The feeling was familiar when UNM announced Freeze. Who? EXACTLY! The proverbial fat girl at prom. They were following the Auburn model, and who can blame them?

Will the NCAA do anything? They didn't at Auburn.

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Cam didn't have a pissed off stepdad that spilled the beans to the NCAA.