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I watched the video interview with Turner and all the other guys, and predictably Evans/James aren't in the interview. They talk about how they bring effort on some days and not on others. What gives here? Is this just the inevitable maturity process where these guys are second year players and they aren't ready, or is something else at work here?
Quay is supposedly coming along...James is much more spotty
Both are kind of head cases
I have no idea but just reading between the lines it seems like there where some discipline and conditioning issues? I guess that could have slowed down the maturity process which could be why they aren't necessarily where you want them to be right now?
Again I have no idea if that's true or not that's just a possible explanation. I really wanted to be hearing more about them at this point too though.
The light hasnt come on for quay yet. He isnt a head case though. Far from it. He will get there
The fact that both have shown signs of playing strong in spurts, whether it be in practice or games....tells me that they will eventually get it together. If not, they probably wouldn't still be here. Big guys like that aren't going to keep putting themselves through hell in practice and two a days if their heart isn't in the game. I think we see Quay step up and play a lot this year, and then I feel like Nick will follow suit once he sees that his buddy has picked it up a notch. Maybe by next year they will both decide to get conditioned and form a kick ass duo on the middle of that DLine for their Junior years.
You want a little crazy on the DL and LB, hopefully on gameday that channel everything into killing QBs and RBs.
No 5 star comes free, I suppose. I guess I just don't get it. You have the ability, just work hard, boom, you succeed. At least in some capacity.
I think they are both a year away, unfortunately. Which is OK as far as they go, but I think many people were expecting them to be dominate THIS year. Ain't happening. If we are dominate on the DL this year, it'll be because of P. Jones, Autry and Eulls.
I think Quay still has a chance to dominate this year.
These guys played last year when they should have redshirted. A year of redshirting would have gotten a lot of these problems out of their systems. They were too immature to play and now they're playing catch up.
I think the main reason we DID play them last year was because it was questionable how long we can keep these guys in good standing in the program because of their immaturity. If we had taken football away from these 2 guys for a year last year who knows what trouble they would have gotten themselves into.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Redshirting doesnt take it away it's a year of preparation.
They would have had to practice everyday- football would have still been there- just not on SaturdayQuote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
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Originally Posted by maroonmania
I really hope I am wrong, but I don't think I am wrong. Quay's development has always scared me. Million dollar body, I just hope his head can catch up.
they played because the staff fully expects both to go pro after 3 years. That's the only reason they played last year because they did not want to reward them for their effort coming into week 1.
Understood, but I think our coaches may have felt that these 2 guys would not have had the same focus without preparing for a game on Saturday. That is the only thing that makes sense because they obviously weren't ready as true freshmen to contribute significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
what I posted is not an opinion. it is a fact. they played because they only have them for 3 years.
Maroon post fact on this. Sorry.
What kind of year do you think they will have this year?? I thought Nick would move past Quay and perhaps be a starter this year but not sure now. Thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I think Quay is obviously ahead of Nick right now. I think Quay could have a year a lot like Autry did last year. I think Nick is going to have trouble with being in playing condition and until that happens he won't be getting as many snaps as he should. I think if they keep him fresh and use him in goal line situations he could really help out.Quote:
Originally Posted by biggun
that's incorrect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ennis Del Mar
Inexcusable if conditioning is still an issue. They've been in the program long enough that they should be in playing shape. Now, if they attitude problems, that is one thing. Make them ride the pine until they put forth the effort. But if their attitude is so poor that the staff has been unable to get them in shape then perhaps they need to be asked how much they want to be on the team. I know it would be very hard to do that with that much elite talent potential, though. I would think and hope that the staff has told them the nfl doesn't put up with halfassed effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by bgdog
Nick's problems are mental. Conditioning is just a byproduct of him learning to buy in to the program.
Quay is smart as shit, he had just never had to work for anything ever in his life. He'll be fine.
I'm not too worried about Quay. From all accounts, he's starting to get it. And he showed more flashes than James last year. I think he'll flourish in our new scheme and be a starter the 2nd half of the season.
James, who the hell knows? He looked like he'd turned the corner in terms of attitude in the spring, but now we're hearing it's the same ol' shit this fall from him. I met a guy down at the Gator Bowl who thinks James will be a huge bust because he's lazy and can't be motivated. Hope like hell he's wrong, but the continued bad attitude is saying otherwise.
Well whatever our coaches were thinking last year, at this point, given neither Evans nor James are getting first team reps starting their Soph year I don't see a great chance that one of them would leave after 3 years much less both unless its for something OTHER than the NFL. Not many guys are 3 year college players that aren't starting or at least making a big impact by the 2nd year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Nick James has a long ways to go, to even consider the NFL. Hell he has a long way to go before he can start in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I think PHack and maroonmania are both right, from what I've seen in this thread and what I saw last year.
Let's face it, at this point, these guys are nowhere near Fletcher Cox's development as a true freshman. And that's what it takes to be an NFL 1st rounder. Unless things just suddenly click, like say a Nick Fairley. I think what's more important is that the coaching staff knows they were getting 3-4 years out of them max, so it was a waste of time to redshirt either one of them - you know they ain't staying 5 years. They'll either sign a free agent contract or quit before then.
Plus, I think the coaches knew they needed some more depth at DT last season.
this year, there is no way they are going to the NFL in year 3. Imagine how that conversation goes between Mullen and Nick/Quay-
Coach, Im declaring.
Coach Mullen- For what?
The draft.
Coach Mullen- Military?
No, the NFL.
Coach Mullen-LULZ.
What NFL scout will go into a war room and tell his boss to draft someone who isnt a starter?
If it were baseball, I could probably buy it due to guys getting drafted based on talent all the time.
Most NFL scouts buy into this motto- Fat guys stay fat, hurt guys stay hurt. There are plenty of guys who can handle moving around at ~340- Kyle Love positioned himself into a starting DT doing just that, but Nick hasnt shown he can play consistently at this weight.
Nick Fairly went from a nobody to a top 5 pick in one season.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrueMaroon
These guys have incredible talent- they just have to mature and work. The maturing process has been slower than anticipated.
True, but wasn't he a JUCO player? He really didn't have a chance to show out against good competition until the one year he played at a D1 school.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Both of these players are sophomores. They have time to figure it out, and from all accounts it appears as if they are both making progress even if they aren't quite finished products yet. Everyone wants them to be Warren Sapp 2.0 on day one, but that doesn't happen very often even at Alabama.
Well, Quay and Nick haven't really had a chance either since they were forced to sit behind Cherry for a year. And don't give me the maturity didn't know the plays BS either. Barrett Jones had trouble blocking Nick James (I think it might have been Quay). Quay performed when we actually let him play. They should have played more last year for all intents and purposes.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Fairley played 2 seasons at Auburn- only made 2 starts his Jr year in 2009Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
2010? He won the Lombardi Award
Alot can change for these guys in just 1 season
He played 2 years at Auburn and you never heard of him in the first one...Just further makes the same point...Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
At some point a light bulb either comes on or it doesn't. For Fletcher Cox, even, it didn't really happen until his JR year(well, it actually became clear in his soph spring how good he would be)... He showed flashes in year 1 and year 2 sure(and played ALOT more snaps -- which speaks to the depth that we've accumulated) -- but he didn't put it all together. And he wasn't faced with some of the issues that James and Quay are...
People need to be patient with their development -- as long as we're getting good production from the position, which I expect with Eulls and PJ...
Quay and Nick struggled off the field at times last year - the classroom being one of them, which led to their lack of playing time. Let's hope we don't have a repeat this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
the one guy NOT IN this conversation is turner...i've been told that he's sick to death of both...tom
So based off of all this conversation, what are we doing recruiting wise to remedy this situation. I have heard they could leave next year because they are that good and if a light turns on, they are gone. If they stay til year 4, no way in hell they are playing a 5th year, be it free agent signing or whatever. Hear they have issues and may never make the switch. Now, Turner is sick of them both. With any of these items being the case, why are we not focusing on 2-3 defensive tackles in this class? (eta: maybe we are and I just have not heard, but what little I have kept up, seems our main focus has been OL)
welcome High! that's not good. everything I've heard has been fairly positive on Quay, but if Turner is getting aggrevated with him that's a pretty good indicator.Quote:
Originally Posted by HIGHDOG
Yes, biggest thing that Cox had that apparently Quay and Nick don't have is a tremendous work ethic and desire to be great. Guess that is really the light that needs to click on.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie