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Hands down, Mississippi State and Dan Mullen are BY FAR the least of Ole Miss' problems right now.
And no, this information doesn't come from new golfing buddies Mark Emmert and Coach34. Our source was very clear that we cannot say anything on the details that we were told because it would directly jeopardize their job. We can say the rumors of "They shouldn't have messed with the big boys, Georgia, Alabama, FSU, etc" are dead on. This isn't going away.
I love it. Couldn't happen to a better bunch.
...the University of Mississippi just signed the #1 kicker in the nation.
None of this makes sense!**
Ole Miss could have done it he right way. They could have crooted their way to gradually better teams. Build a base and gradually get better the way Mullen has (minus the part where Bracky Brett keeps one hand handcuffed). But no, they had to get greedy. They had to swing for the fences right out of the gate. Make a big splash. Win the press conference.
And piss off higher powers. Not smart.
Like throwing a live crab in boiling water. They should have raised the heat gradually. Their fanbase and alumni have no patience. Bunch of whiney entitled pricks.
They're about to learn to be patient.
I'm guessing we will all have to be patient to see whats going to come of this. I watched Pony Excess again the other night and it took the NCAA a while to get all the goods on SMU. If OM has covered their tracks at all then it would take a while for an investigation to produce hard proof.
Solid update though; this is how you bring it.
Obviously I would take any penalty at this point just to prove the point openly that they as a fanbase have collectively cheated, but the more important question is can you talk or discuss timetable for anything happening?
I've always had the water boiling first ... have I been doing this wrong ? ... not trying to be funny here- just curious
I want to make something clear: THE NCAA DOES NOT NEED PROOF!!!!
This is something I continue to hear: "The NCAA needs proof." I just don't agree with that. The NCAA can do anything they want and don't have to present proof to a court in order to get something done.
If they believe that Ole Miss is cheating, and they don't have proof, then they can essentially find them guilty of something that would be the equivalent of tax evasion, and then hand down large penalties.
The NCAA can use circumstantial evidence if they choose.
How many people on this board have proof that Ole Miss has cheated? My guess would be 2 or 3, but that doesn't keep the rest of us from putting the puzzle pieces together and thus having a pretty good idea and belief that OM has cheated. The NCAA can do the same thing.
everything NCAA related takes awhile- nobody needs a source for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
They've proven again and again that they will take their sweet time with most everything they get involved in. I was just curious as to whether we might hear some bits and pieces come out on specific people before hand or if we will have to wait for one big judgment day.
off topic, but you are correct, sir... like you really didn't know, Mr. Saltwater :D and BTW, some blue crab sounds awful good right about now... mmm,mmm!Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Any idea on the level of shit they are in???
Like what are we looking at punishment wise? We seeing a slap on the wrist that will essentially do nothing. Or are we talking dropping the hammer and crippling their asses for the next decade?
My question is, why have we only heard about Johnson and Jones? Why isn't it out there about Tunsil, who, if this is all really true about pissing off the big boys, would be the guy in question?
I want Ole Miss to fry too, but I honestly don't care about pissing off the big boys. The big boys have been trying to hold us down for years.
SolomonGrundy over on NAFOOM thinks he has some "inside" information as well. I almost shit my pants when I found out how ridiculous his "inside" info was. That guy goes all out douchebag when Ole Miss is in trouble.
I dont know- but I do tend to subscribe to Engie's "lack of institutional control" angle because of who has been rumored to be interviewed. It is not only Freezus recruiting being questioned, but Nutt's also.
Should be interesting this Fall as more breaks
Co-rrect. We did all the work for them last year, and handed it over to them on a silver platter and it still took them around a year to come to any conclusion. The NCAA makes snails proud around the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Multiple schools, multiple eras, multiple schools pissed off.
Boone and Nutt is not under investigation. Ole Miss is. Ole Miss can't claim in innocence because of some employee turnover. Didn't work that way for us. Not for Penn State. And won't for Ole Miss.
Why have we only heard about players that only had an MSU tie? Because we are MSU people and we talk to each other.
How do we know the NCAA hasn't already interviewed Tunsil? Or Moncrief? Do we expect Ole Miss to tell us that?
Remember these people kept the Brunetti arrest quiet for months. The last place to look for info on Ole Miss trouble is with Ole Miss people. They know how to pull the rope together.
Saving the big fish for last IMO. I could see a scenario where they've got Tunsil dead to rights to the extent that an interview is just a formality. It was that blatant and over the top what OM did for his family while they rubbed UGA's nose in it. Therefore, that one is assumed -- and they are looking into all the rest of these guys looking for a pattern. When/if they find the pattern, it becomes an institutional control matter -- and it becomes very serious for them...Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
cheating didn't work out for them the way they expected under nutt. They brought in hugh "the great recruiting evangelist" and went big with the cheating. They figured that since he had this reputation as a great recruiter, that would explain getting all of those five star recruits and since he leads a sunday school class on twitter every day, that would show the world that he is too morally grounded to allow any cheating. I called this shit the day they hired him. He is a face for the program.
I find it interesting that this is getting ZERO traction on Rivals sports board. But they're happy to talk about MSU "bowling" with the recent Dillon Day trick shot, and of course they also say it may be the only "bowling" we do this year.
This is gonna be fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by elitedawgs
You nailed it. Freeze is a wolf in sheep's clothing, and was brought in to put a nice Christian face in front of a dirty program to try and mask it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
I'll agree 100% here. Freeze is the figurehead for the Archie/Rebel Machine. A guy that won't ask questions, a guy that knows his place. 'Their' guy. That's why I really don't think Freeze should be taking much of the heat, I feel that he really is a good guy, just a little naive to what they are doing, much like Chizik was at Auburn.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlSwearengen
SMU all over again, if it really blows up. And it really needs to.
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Originally Posted by elitedawgs
I have a friend in Georgia that is UGA thru and thru and he's telling me his inside sources are telling him they have the goods on Ole Miss for on the recruiting of Tunsil. Said the word from there is Tunsil and/or family was paid $300,000 by Ole Miss. Take it for what its worth and I have not put this on any other board. I actually heard this several weeks back and all of the sudden Ole Miss is getting questioned by the NCAA.
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Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
didn't realize there was still an MSU rivals board
$ 300,000 is a lot for an OT ....... Heisman QB's are only going for $ 180,000
That was the discounted price for us **Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
Main college board. And yes, there are quite a few "Black Bear Named Rebel"s over there, with maybe 3 or 4 Bulldogs. I've had some epic battles over there with several of their fans. Have also got a couple of there that are decent posters. But they are clearly in the minority in that delusional group.Quote:
Originally Posted by jumbo
I wonder if this IncarceratedBob cat really does have some info, and if so, how or who would he get stuff like that from?
The money forked out is increasing exponentially, while the wins hover between the 2-6 range. Someone should really revamp their business school with this type of shit. They might actually have a BBall arena that doesnt have rain delays if they put all this money into something that produced results. What a bunch of clowns. Might I add though, that they had to fork out a total of around $80k for CJ as an instate guy. Going 2 states away, and stealing from a BCS contender is going to cost a good deal more. So $300k isn't that unreasonable to think they forked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by FISHDAWG
I seriously doubt Bobby Boy has anything of substance outside of potential receipts from OM players gambling through him or providing inside tips to him for money. And that's a big if...
I do however think that at least 4, maybe 5, other schools have had officials talk to the NCAA about what they know/have on OM. I also think it's going to take the NCAA at least a year if not two to figure it all out. I also do not expect to see Tunsil, CJ, Kailo, Connor, and maybe A. Golson playing against Vandy.
Is the "IT" hack u were talking about that was coming?? This investigation of tsun players??
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Originally Posted by Political Hack
that would be huge for them
I bet Veazey has alot more he hasn't put out there yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I hightly doubt this gets as bad as SMU... I mean realistically Penn St was the worst scandal I've ever heard of and they didn't get the death penalty...
Yep, if Penn State didn't get the death penalty, then its off the table in the NCAA's eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by CJDAWG85
This says a lot about their school if they have to pay that kind of cash to a recruit...and with rare success on the field. It is clear the boosters run the program as much as Freeze, but he knew the deal coming in. He's responsible for his own actions.
The thing about all this is all the MSU people are saying the same thing. Everyone I've heard from has said the same thing. Usually stories don't match up - they do here. I don't know what they ultimate punishment will be, but I do know ole miss cheated because you don't have this many people saying the same thing. I think ole miss knows it internally, but they aren't spilling the beans to their people, but telling them there is nothing instead so they will fire back at MSU people believing State is fabricating this whole thing.
Not necessarily. As horrible as the PSU situation was, it never broke any rules as far as giving a team an unfair advantage or impermissible benefits to a player. That was a school covering for a pedophile on payroll raping little boys. If what we are hearing is true about the bears to the north then I expect the NCAA to try and imitate Thor dropping that hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by CJDAWG85
Yes. They are trying to pull off what Auburn did with Chizik. Tubs wouldn't go for their cheating so he hit the road and they got an unpopular choice who was just happy to have the job but good enough to steer the ship once he got the players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder