of how this OM - NCAA stuff will turn out.
But I'll bet my left nut the penalties will be worse than OM fans had hoped... and not as bad as State fans hope.
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of how this OM - NCAA stuff will turn out.
But I'll bet my left nut the penalties will be worse than OM fans had hoped... and not as bad as State fans hope.
welllllll, there' that
Everything I'm hearing says USC-style probation and the NCAA is rolling hard for a show cause on Freezus. They are full-court pressing their 2016 recruits for their final push.
If it's USCw or even close..... Ouch!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yep. Usc lost what 30 scholarships? The sec west would be brutal being hampered like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by mic
I think that is right - 10 per year for 3 years and 2 year post season ban. The road back from that would be quite long.
But the bowl ban needs to be in place too, to be effective
My boy aint been wrong yet- dead ass accurate- and he says:
32 schollys over 4
bowl ban
Working their ass off to nail Freezus with a show cause- this is still iffy- but they are pressing this year's recruits for their big finish
We shall see.
Sure seems awful stiff for some minor track and wbball infractions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I still say Death Penalty for 2 years, kicked out of the SEC, replaced with SMU, no bowls for four years, no TV for the two years after they start playing sports again (football team not the only one getting ditched), become USM's biggest rival in Conference-USA, and forfeit every game since 2005 (when Saunders first showed up on campus). That means we've won 11 in a row against them and the series record is now 58-48-6.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
as an aside,you take away the Vaught Aberration and the Larry Gillard Eligibility Lynching, and The Mississippi State University dominates the series 68-48-4.
You been dead on so far. I pray that this is dead on again or hope that it may even be worse. I want freeze to get that show cause, he's earned it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
That would be glorious!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If they go down 8 schollies a year that'll save them on at least a couple escorts next January.
That will be their positive spin on the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
This alone would set the program back a decade & likely scare them from cheating again any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
However, one additional thing that could be interesting about this penalty is they allow the 2016 'croots out of their LOI. If they do, this penalty is potentially immediately much worse.
USC type probation is what I am expecting too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
32 Schollies? How the heck are they going to field a track team? Tragic.
It will hurt them worse than USC because they are in a more difficult league and they don't dominate an area like USC who at worst shares LA with UCLA. Us dominating and focusing on Mississippi talent is eventually going to kill them one way or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
USCw still isn't back to USCw standards after what they got hit with.. And they were still getting 4star recruits and a couple 5* during that time..Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
UMiss ain't USCw.... 4 years 30 scholarships would be disaster in the SEC west.. Shit 20 over a 3-4 year period would be bad...
And yes if players are allowed to transfer without having to sit a year out.. Double ouch.....
Exactly ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Coach 34, thanks for your insight and information. Hope your source is on the $ again. This would be great and we all know what karma can be. Would still like to get LOIC in there and heck, NCAA give them SMU 2.0!
People tend to forget that even SMU didn't get the death penalty originally. The first probation was pretty stiff but they got the death penalty after they got caught again doing the same things while they were still on probation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
The death penalty will never be handed out again in the FBS. I'd expect 20 schollys over 4 yrs and probation. No bowl ban. That's just what I'm expecting. Sure hoping C34 is correct though.
Damn I hope you are right.
I wonder how many BearSharks just read C34's post and shit their pants. I'm saying in the 1000s.
C34 - nafoom' best source for Om pending probation. Gotta love it
I don't think we will ever see anyone get the death penalty again. Even if Ole Miss deserves it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
That said my question at this point is what happens if they get hit with USC type probation and then get repeat offender status for things done this year?
We don't know if they are going to get another letter or if it's an addendum.
I'm not an expert and other than SMU there really isn't anyone to go on. So I'm not sure what would happen if they got repeat offender status.
It was a little bit more than that. SMU had been on probation 4-5 different times from 1974-1985. But they continued to use the slush fund to pay the remaining players they had been and then Supposedly phase out the payments. This was a month after their last probation and big scandal in which they had promised it was all cleaned up with the new Texas governor being a part of all this. It's also interesting to note, yes this is to you CL, it was some investigative reporters who really did an enormous amount of digging and pressuring to finally nail them that last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
If that happens om is screwed for 10 years. Freeze will be fired and they'll have to hire some burnt out retread that Archie has to beg to take the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I won't be satisfied unless freeze gets a show cause. I want that lying, hypocritical sack of shit to be selling used tires in Cuba
Why do people keep saying that there will be no more death penalty? Who said that? Show me or direct me to one place where the NCAA has said that. The NCAA has handed out the DP two or three times since SMU and was very close to dropping it on Texas State a few years back. If a program like OM is brazen enough to cheat while being under investigation the NCAA can and will do it. All they need is to prove a "pattern of willful violations" which I believe they already have in OM's case.Quote:
Originally Posted by preachermatt83
The death penalty could possibly be in play for a repeat offender charge. Not before. OM is not on repeat offender status. Death penalty is not a possibility IMO.
However, I think there's going to be a slew of show causes (sort of already proven correct on this one), a bowl ban, and the LOIC charge. It's possible to know what the investigators will suggest at this point, but a separate committee will determine the infractions after OM responds to the NOA and holds its hearing.
Silly goose, it's not for the infractions, it's because the NCAA is jealous at how well OM is recruiting in the SEC west.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
I think that depends on the infraction. Penn State football scandal had the COI discussing the death penalty as an option. Western Kentucky actually decided to self impose the death penalty last year because of their extreme case. They were not repeat offenders if I'm not mistaken. Now Texas State, they were getting the death penalty for the entire athletic department and they were the definition of repeat offenders. Luckily they made some big changes and brought in a new president and AD to save their sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Eta. UNM will not get the death penalty from this investigation. So yeah it would have to be repeated probations for them unless they have a major scandal on top of a this
If this happens, I'm buying all ED member's a beer. Only MSU grads however. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They won't get the death penalty unless they have proof this stuff has been going on since before Billy Brewer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Even if they have something to that effect, what is stopping the NCAA from being extremely harsh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reason2succeed
Forget this other stuff, I'm talking about 60 scholarships over 5 years, 3 years bowl ban, one year TV ban... Put them into submission.
The NCAA could give the death penalty without actually "giving the death penalty." So, why don't they do it? Personally, I don't think the NCAA is tough enough on anybody. Even if you can't totally stop cheating, the way you put a serious damper on it is make it not worth it. And they've never taken it far enough in regard to that, although SMU may beg to differ.
Yep, and apparently UNM has the same mentality. Guess that's why I was so shocked that they were continuing to do the same things in this year's recruiting class they had been doing knowing full well the NCAA was in full mode investigation with them. That is some SMU level stupidity there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
The media's role in that is why UM places such emphasis on controlling the local media. The national doesn't care enough to do the digging but UM knows the local folks could bury them. Heck they almost DID bury us under JWS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
The godless commies in Cuba have more integrity than that.*Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenheadDawg
Bud Light in a frosted mug, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgface
Local media is not going to do anything to hurt the Bears or even put them in a bad light. That's one of the reasons they haven't had any NCAA issues since the Billy Brewer days (that and the relationship Khayat had with the bigwigs at the NCAA). Really took them going national and pissing off powerful schools in other states to get the current investigation going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg