..over what might happen in two years.
Apparently some people want an MSU head football coach with 19 wins in the past two seasons fired for losing the Ole Miss stars game. This must be close to neurological disorder. Whatever it is, it is absurd.
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..over what might happen in two years.
Apparently some people want an MSU head football coach with 19 wins in the past two seasons fired for losing the Ole Miss stars game. This must be close to neurological disorder. Whatever it is, it is absurd.
If you don't understand that the players we missed out on... will hurt us.. And that the Stars DO MATTER...
I can't help you.
Unless you are happy going to a bowl game every year But losing to Bama, LSU, and UM at least... EVERY YEAR.
Dan made the state a priority when he got hired...and the egg bowl. Then he experienced success and got cocky and hasn't kept that drive.
We got our asses kicked today. Yes there were some good things on the day.
But our weakness in the OL from a recruiting and coaching point... will be worse. because of today.
And no I'm not saying he should be fired today... But the actions of the day show the state of the program.
I don't want Mullen gone unless he is to stubborn to do something about a couple of assistant coaches.
If he won't make those adjustments then it's time for him to go. No time for another Croom/McCorvey type relationship fiasco. This is big money business, no room for butt buddies.
Yep, it's totally, absolutely, stark raving insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
Agree even though Mullen pisses me off a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Look I like ole Mulligan but he needs to move Heav to TE and Sallach to a desk. Hire a OL coach and let them work.
All of this is true and the original post is still true (at least the title). This recruiting season was a huge wasted opportunity and that's on the staff, and people that want him fired over it are still idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
I think minimal heads need to roll and Dan needs to be reprimanded for the crap he pulled from November til today. Scott and Keenum need to send a message that talking to other programs before signing day will get you fired, period. The heads that need to roll are the usual, Hev and Sallach. We are pretty much conceding one recruiter by trotting Sallach out there and we are losing players because of Hev. Inexcusable for an SEC program. Cut the fat. Bring back Grimes if need be and hire a recruiter to coach tight ends and special teams. As long as David Turner is on staff with our additions, we will always recruit good defensively. Give Gonzo some help with the offensive recruits and hire 2 bang up recruiters.
Then the mother****er needs to quit trying to leave when he has been given everything he has asked for and more. And if we had an Oline that wasn't shat we would have been a playoff team and have a few more wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
If we could move Sallach to the office and hire 2 first rate recruiters, a lot could be solved. Dan has built a good program but he has to fix the Oline to compete for championships.
Why make a blanket statement that 99% of the board agrees with? Who are you calling out, 2 people? We can't fire Mullen right now, but he damn sure needs to make some changes and I don't think he will do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
I don't agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
The problem with our program rests with the fact that the head coach sets the pace in recruiting. Mullen could hire all the recruiters in the world & it wouldn't make one bit of difference unless Dan Mullen makes it his committment in life to be a GREAT recruiter & passionately pursue that every day.
It starts with him, & he has to make changes, if this problem is to be fixed
He doesn't really want to be here...!!!!!!. That's the problem.. And if anyone thinks differently they have neurological disorder.. If he can change that mindset it will be a start...Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
And with the " We won 19 games the last 2 years" ... That's great I agree.. .. We are 2-10 against Bama, LSU, and UMiss the last 4 years..
This thread is M-State summed up.
1/3 are just glad we didn't lose to a Maine the last few years (that's my Dad God love him)
1/3 are fine with being "good" (I assume that's almost positive)
1/3 want to be THE best and apply as much pressure as possible to make it so (I fall into that category)
If he takes the company plane on a job interview in 2016 he needs to be fired before the wheels touch down. We need unequivocal, undeniable, unmistakable commitment from him. No menacing of words. No avoiding reports. He needs to come out with something stronger than a "pine box" statement as soon as whispers of his name are mentioned for another coaching job. ANYTHING short of that and I'll help him pack.
If he does that though, and keeps winning 9/10 games a year with an occasional run at Atlanta, he can stay as long as he wants. That's the truth and no amount of bitching on a message board will change that.
Requiring a HC being paid 4 mill to be dedicated and apply 100% effort to the program shouldn't be asking too much. Letting hevesy hang around while looking into jobs like MD and others tells me he's not all in. He once was i believe but something changed. We don't need someone who doesn't want to be here. That goes for players too. It just never ends well.
Game. Set. Match. Maybe we can join the SWAC and go undefeated and then these guys can run around telling everybody that we are undefeated!Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Put me into the 3rd category as well. If these guys can't see how years like this hurt us then I don't really know what to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
Yep, when Mullen took our HC job he said that most all fan bases tire of their HC and want him gone after 10 years. Well, to me it seems that our HC has grown tired of us after 7 years and is/was looking to get out. THAT is the problem. If Dan would act committed to us then most everybody would be all in on him. What happened today IMO was mostly due to a disengaged HC and some bad recruiters on staff. That's a REALLY bad combination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
If I were Stricklin, I would tell Mullen to tell his agent that his name better not come out for any more job openings. If it does, he better hope he gets that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Maybe he will understand he can be a great coach, even though he's complete retard at job interviews.
I will say it again: You are a fool to elevate recruiting -- i.e., projected future results -- over actual recent on-the-field record.
The irony is that OM has done that for years and roundly denounced, rightly so, for it right there.
If you want Mullen fired for talking to Miami, that is a different issue.
He has said before, I think shortly after his hiring, that around 7 years is when a good chunk of the fans want a HC gone.
The problem is, MSU is not like other schools, and I think Dan has brought this crap on himself. If he had stuck with the, "relentless effort" he's preached to our kids all this time, and made it a point to flat-out deny interest in other jobs, rather than be cute with it and claim he, "doesn't respond to those type inquiries", etc he would not find himself with a significant portion of our fanbase pissed off at him.
He did it to himself.
Oh, and if he really did almost accept the Maryland job, I don't give a damn what he's done here, I want his ass gone as soon as we can find a good replacement. UGA I could understand, but freakin' Maryland???
I, for one would love it if Strick, Keenum and the cigar boys started putting out feelers every year for a hot prospect HC. Screw Dan. If he can play that game after the way we've treated him and his family, then I hope he knows we're gonna constantly be on the lookout for a new HC. Let him know we've got just as much right to shop our HC job as he has to shop himself to other schools.
Maryland, people. Let that sink in. According to some, Dan thinks Maryland would be a better job. If that's true, we don't need him around here.
The problem is the group measuring themselves against OM and their cheating ways and numbers. Yes I want recruiting to get better but damn people!Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
Yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
The deal is that the two things are closely related. If you think that other schools out there are not using that against us then you have issues. We cant fight uphill any more thatn we already have to. one leads to the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
As long as Football Scoop, Coaching Search, and the others like them exist his name will always be trotted out there every single year during recruiting season and there isn't anything you, Dan, or his agent can do about it. Some of us believe every troll job out there and help them spread it. Dan was contacted by one program, Miami, by phone. Miami initiated the contact. I know most of you refuse to believe that but from everything I can find out it's the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
The chances that will ever be told to Mullen by Scott are about as good as you actually being our AD hoops dawg... But I love where your heads at..Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I would rather lose every damn game than be know as Ole-Miss-level cheaters.
If you care more about football results than the basic integrity of your institution, you may need to do a major rethink.
Ole Miss will get theirs soon enough. If you want to get an early start on wetting the bed over MSU's next season, be my guest.
This year was different though. This year you had MSU insiders saying he wanted to leave. And its no coincidence that the coaching search rumors hurt us MUCH more in recruiting this year than it has before and that's because this year the rumors were TRUE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Well if so .. Our PR department is so quick to get into pissing contest and "No I'm not , Yes you are".. tweets about little bullshit stuff with these hacks, why not come out and blast them for putting this shit out there... And do it right away not days later..Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Rip their ass, call them out, embarrass them, make them name sources, Ect.... Basically treat them like bitches.. And the shit will stop..
BS! All Dan would have to do is emphatically deny the rumor and make a statement about how thrilled he is to be at MSU. But Dan doesn't do that. Dan seems to think it is in his best interest if he lets those rumors (true or not) circulate. Screw that! Strick and Dr. Keenum need to make it clear to Dan that shit ends NOW!Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
We pay that guy $4 million a year. We can damn sure require him to vociferously make it clear how much he likes it here and how he intends to stay.
Don't worry , we are never going to stoop to their level,, we don't even have a clue how.. They are basically waving their cocks in the face of the NCAA Before they bang it's wife... If the NCAA has balls it's coming..Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
Come on mic. Saban at Alabama has lost 10 games in the 7 seasons Mullen has been here. LSU and OMU don't fair as well because we have beat them. Granted, we haven't been as close against UA as we have against LSU or as successful as we have against OMU, but we have not looked anything like "Churchill say.." days. On top of that we have not had a Maine game and lately, the last 2 years, we have destroyed opponents that used to be squeakers. We need more studs on the OL, we need better depth in a few positions, but you have to admit that the overall (overall) trend is positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
This right here.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
and at least some of us are in the category of "I know we can't fire him but he no longer has my support"Quote:
Originally Posted by gtowndawg
All day. He never even denied that he was looking elsewhere and had put his name in the hat. He has shown absolutely zero drive and fire the last season and a half on and off the field. He refused to make changes himself and with the program that are glaring issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by blacklistedbully
You'd be surprised. The topic was brought up in November.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
The problem isn't just losing the Ole Miss stars game its that we are also losing the actual Ole Miss game and pretty solidly. We had some pretty good connections in this class and we seemed to have failed miserably on using them to our advantage. We also missed a good opportunity to significantly improve our OL. We were dead last in our division today and four teams from the division are in the top 10. I know we can't fire Mullen but if next year's class is not much better than this year's we may as well get ready for quite a few Birmingham and Liberty Bowls and accept that we won't own the Golden Egg for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostPositive
As I said, most here will refuse to believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania