It doesn't look like it is panning out for them. Unless something happens they are going to have a eight lost season.
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It doesn't look like it is panning out for them. Unless something happens they are going to have a eight lost season.
tie game at halftime....
Because they fired Frank Solich who was winning 10 games per season. Neither guy is Tom Osbourne and until a coach gets them back to their Glory Days- they will keep firing themQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Tom Osborn maybe, as weird as this is to say, underrated when talking all time greats. Never won less than 9 games at Neb. Never. That's a consistency that will probably never be matched again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Nebraska needs Ken Niumatalolo of navy. Nebraska needs to be an option team and Ken is doing one hell of a job at navy
Nebraska at this point is a program whose "big boy" status is officially extinct, and will be for the forseeable future. Pretty much all of their historic success was attributed to Tom Osbourne and his ability to not only have success with the option game, but also influence 75% of the high schools in the state to adopting the same offense. This created an assembly line of players in a talent deficient state that came in ready to play. A vast majority of these players were never NFL caliber, but Nebraska was able to win NC's based on sheer execution. Shit, look at Tommie Frazier as a prime example. Dude never sniffed the NFL, but was one of the greatest option QB's to ever play college football.
Unfortunately, once Osbourne left and future coaches switched to more modern offenses, the high schools in the state weren't so quick to adjust. Nebraska was forced to look out of state for the majority of its talent, and Lincoln isn't the most appealing destination for a good percentage of national prospects. The end result is what you've seen out of Nebraska football for the last 15 years....nothing but mediocrity.
The same Frank Solich that has made Ohio a good football team year in and year out. We all overreact from time to time regarding change in a program, but sometimes change is not good. Plus they brought in Riley who does not bring much, other than likability, as a head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I read through this article that documents the changes that Iowa and Washington State DID NOT make that has helped them be successful. Yes, sometimes firing a coach and completely changing a system is the only rational thing to do because if you wait to long you just dig yourself a bigger hole (see the end of Stansbury), but sometimes you need to keep your people in place for the most part and recommit to what brought you success in the first place.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foot...state-football
Something YOU need to take note of. You sound like ME there 34. Maybe you aren't completely hopeless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
They will need a time machine and make them be the only team that is on TV, the only team that has money, and will need every power 5 school that is in a state that produces talent that Nebraska used to poach (FL, TX, Ca) to stop recruiting so well. They will also need to convince recruits that a Nebraska offer is not the same thing as an offer from KSU, Purdue, Illinois or Iowa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Basically, they are the last Blockbuster store of college football. They simply fail to admit that they are no longer relevant on a national stage.
Ive never once said we needed to fire Mullen. Not once. Neither has anybody else that Ive seen.
Lol. You have encouraged him to leave on his own though. It's the SAME thing. Thankfully you are only a very vocal internet "expert" from a miniscule fraction of our fan base. Most of us are sane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
you can get a fork and turn Nebraska over... they are done...
with conference realignment(s) and now that everybody is on TV every week, unless they "go all Auburn/Ole Miss", they won't be able to recruit (to Lincoln) well enough to be "relevant", again...
It'd take a Saban/Harbrough/Meyer type hire to (maybe) get em there... and that's what they are shootin' for.
Nebraska will always be able to lay claim to the greatest college football team of all time, the 1995 team. So they have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HSVDawg
And a team is never extinct, they'll just have to get the right guy. They have potential. If you've done it once, you can do it again. They are just going to have to find a guy that aligns with 'Nebraska' and can somehow find another recrootin niche. I think they need to find an elite defensive coach personally.
I havent said one word to Dan Mullen. I have not once said he needed to be fired- so your post is bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
You just gave fans at Army and Minnesota chills of hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
Nebraska will never be what they were- just like Wichita State will never be a baseball power again
LOL, the truely hilarious thing is you actually believe what you wrote there. I'll say this, if I was a totally disinterested third party you would be highly entertaining!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I guess I assumed too much by thinking practicality would be taken for granted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Big difference in Nebraska and Army in regards to program potential in the modern day game. I can't believe I really have to point this out.
It also took a Saban hire to get Alabama there too. Just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by TUSK
Tennessee is in that same boat with Nebraska. It can and will happen....just has to be the right guy.
Nebraska is perhaps the highest profile victim of the change in College football offenses in the last 10 years. They used to be able to get a bunch of corn fed local boys to play up front at will. They can still do that. What they can't do is still make use of those guys and a few national speed guys to run the hell out the of traditional option game. I think they will be back once they adapt. They have everything else you need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You made the blanket statement- not meQuote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
Saban... Meyer...nor anybody close to it is walking into Lincoln ever again. They no longer have the cakewalk to get by Oklahoma and win the Big 8 like they used to. It's a new era and they just dont have the appeal anymore
I went back and looked at where their best skill guys came from, to see if I saw a pattern.....and there was none. Half of them were from Nebraska. Some from Arkansas, some from New Jersey, Frazier from Florida. No real rhyme or reason. I'm not sure what their keys to recrootin would be.....Texas maybe? But I would think the sledding is much tougher there now that they are in the B1G. Guess they'll just have to do what everybody does....get on a plane and fly to Miami.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Honestly if you told me I had to suffer through three years of Ray to get Howland, I'd do it again.Quote:
Originally Posted by runwildjerious
It's a case by case situation- Solich may be winning enough for Ohio, but that still doesn't mean he would do well at Nebraska. Rich Rodriguez never was going to be successful at Michigan.
And FWIW Pelini was fired from Nebraska because he and their AD couldn't get along.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
Talk about blanket statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We in the SEC could replace a mediocre coach much easier than Nebraska nowadays.
Deep pockets run deep
Most of our fans are completely apathetic about the football program right now. When MSU is calling people up and begging them to buy bowl tickets- it's not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Dan better win the bowl to get some people back on his side. Dan talking around to other teams plus how the team presents in big games leaves a really bad taste in peoples mouths. No one wants to spend their time and money on that crap.
That's the main difference from now and when they are now. They can't attract this national level skill guys like they used too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taog Redloh
That's just it, they didn't have one of those coaches for a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackout
This statement proves you are clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Good for them, they pulled it off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg
Oh, as an after thought that also speaks to just how great a job Mullen is doing here: Apathy for what is considered a "lessor" bowl game is a totally wonderful problem to have. I remember the bumper to bumper traffic headed up to the Liberty Bowl under Croom. We were just as excited as hell over the freaking Liberty Bowl. That was a totally far from apathetic showing over a podunk bowl and I hope we NEVER go back to that. Perhaps you do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
The lack of bowl talk on this board plus the fact that MSU is trying is begging me to go to the Belk Bowl proves otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Actually it proves you are. See what I was writing above. Maybe you miss the days when we got excited over going to the Liberty Bowl or the Belk Bowl. I sure as heck don't. That we are pissed about ANY bowl says all anyone should need to know about what kind of job Mullen is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Dan has raised our floor- but he hasn't raised our ceiling. I want Dan to raise the ceiling- and it's time for him to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Our past means as much as Ole Miss's football past- not much. We have more potential to be a power than ever before. Unlike you, I'm not afraid to make a change to be better. If we make a bad hire after Dan, it's more than likely because we allowed him to run our team in the ground- which we have a bad history of at MSU. I fear a major rebuild much more than a coaching change. We fired Croom one year after the Liberty Bowl and made a better hire.
If we make a bad hire, we just fire that guy and hire someone else. Like we did with Howland.
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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
And I've never been called the worst poster on this board.
Really now boyo? What ceiling would that be? The one where we went to a bowl every 10 years or so, or every 5 years or so allowing for the proliferation of the things now? You do know we had never been to more than three in a row prior to Mullen don't you? This one makes 6 straight. You do know that just last year we had only the third 10 win season in our history? You do know that we were #1 for a few weeks last year for the first time EVER? You do know we had the highest finish in the Heisman balloting for one of our players ever last year? You are totally clueless on so many levels that it's hard to document them all. That was just stab at it as I'm drifting off to sleep after an excellent meal, some excellent beer, a cheap but acceptable wine with dinner, and a truly excellent Islay whisky nightcap. If you want me to take you seriously at least TRY to ground your posts in reality.
Oooooo, that put me in my place. Thanks for the compliment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yep. Nebraska and Miami are dead. And unlike Miami, Nebraska doesnt have the homegrown talent and can't recruit south of them in TX and OK anymore because there a freaking Big Ten school now. So dumb. They lost 7 games this year and will be lucky to make it to a bowl next year. They beat USM by 8. That's their talent level. Their identity from the 80's and 90's is gone. Kids don't think Nebraska is anything special anymore, but that's mostly because they're largely irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Sorry huskers. Y'all have nice fans.
Here is some reality- it's easier to make a bowl than it has ever been before. See three 5-7 teams making one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Only one win over a SEC team that has finished the season with more than 8 wins.
Jackie had more wins over 9+ win teams than Dan has had at this point.
It's also easier to get to 10 wins since the advent of 12 games.
We are doing well relative to our history- that doesn't mean we should accept being above average when we can be great because mediocre people like you want to hold us back.
It pretty much did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
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Originally Posted by HSVDawg
Has made a more level playing field for teams in the SEC. I remember when the only games every Saturday were either Ohio State, USC, Alabama, Nebraska and of course Notre Dame. There were a few more, but not many. We are still playing catch up from the past, but it's not as bad as it used to be compared to the 70's.