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But Freeze ain't beaten MSU with preaching. If you want to check on something, look at the 4 from Callaway. Since they signed, they have moved into nicer houses. This isn't something I think. It's something I know. I bet those addresses haven't been changed with the jps office.
Well they haven't actually signed.
This got me thinking though. What's to keep these recruits and boosters honest? Lets say I give some kid a car to sign with state and he signs with bama. What can I do? If I tell him once he signs, I'll give him car. Then he signs and I don't give him car. What can he do? How do you trust in cheating?
There is honor among thieves I guess. Luckily, since we have Bracky and his minions, we don't have to worry about this problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If all 4 have indeed moved- then that becomes a story and is more than a coincidence
You're right, I meant committed. But they have moved into nicer houses. Easy to check
Unfortunately incarcerated bob is the only media interested. Unless someone gets Kyle veazey interested...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
All it takes is a screenshot, a scan, a pdf, a photo or something sent to the right people to make this a story. All I'm sayin'. Get it out on one of the blogs or Bleacher Report and it'll grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Django_DB
We have a current player who played last year who got a "knot" from our Bear friends. But obviously signed with us.
He lives for these types of stories, and I think he honestly knows OM is cheating, but just hasn't had the concrete, indisputable evidence to nail them.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm still trying to get him to talk to me about the CJ Johnson stuff. Just wanted to give him the names, items, and place/date of those transactions.
Sorry to be so obtuse, but what does this mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach 57
Is there any actual proof that they moved? If there was than Veazey should definitely be informed
you can check where their recruiting mail was being sent before and where it's being sent now
Nobody wants to be told they're being sued.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Maybe it's just me, but I don't believe Kyle Veazey would be interested in writing that story if you placed the information in his lap.
I don't know. I do know he's the one pressing ole miss for the compliance emailsQuote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
The problem is unless you can prove it nothing will ever come of it. CJ Johnson posts pictures of his new ride and everybody knows he didn't pay for it, but there was no way to prove that he didn't.
In order for them to get caught, a former player or a transfer that was unhappy is going to have to go to the press with proof (names of who gave them money, dates, details etc.). That is what happened to SMU back in the day. It started when 2 guys opened up their mouths with details and provided the press with evidence. I remember Chaz Ramsey and some other former Auburn players talked about getting paid before, but they didn't know any specific names or give details.
SMU was thirty years ago. It's probably better to look at how USC got busted with Reggie Bush over houses I believe just because it was more recent and I don't think the NCAA wil ever hand out the death penalty ever again.
OK so let's hear them.....This is a good forum for spouting that type shit. Since they can't defend themselves here.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
I know that they've gotten burned before because we have some players on our roster that were given money by their boosters and still went to MSU anyway. Risk/reward I guess. When they "help" a player, they're not going to go run to the NCAA if that player goes against their wishes because in effect they would be turning themselves in. I suspect that the bigger stuff comes later- cars, whatever, etc. I've also heard of players being paid installments monthly but they do it in ways that aren't obvious- handshakes, money given to a family member in the form of a job, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
One thing I've noticed is that they like to get the family involved and I think doing that helps with any covering up as well as influence. Especially if you have a kid that's a good kid, but maybe his family or some people in his family are a little shady.
What's sad to me is a LOT of times- I would say the majority- you're talking about a kid that is coming from a poor background and their family truly needs the money. That doesn't make the kid bad. And that's why the NCAA has seriously had discussions about stipends and things like that for players.
If you send me information I will make a story out of it. Even if it has some holes. I am not a journalist so I don't have an editor telling me no. Thecroomdiaries@yahoo.com
Give your info to Croom diaries. I like that.
Don't we have some alums that are PI's?? They could do some checking. It's not like we don't owe them for that.
It is not necessarily true. It is just your own guess and the reality is that they have been signed up and have a significant value.
You need to search it more to have a clear idea.I think it is a better way for you to get a clear idea.
Yeah....Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyhawk
Who cares if they can't defend themselves. It's a Miss State message board. If they don't like it, Well..........Quote:
Originally Posted by ghostofjackie
I can't decide if I think you're the dust or one of Mr. David's boys. Hard to tell the difference between the two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyhawk
What tha what??Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyhawk
Can't be sevendust, no misspellings, no "I done"s and no "threw"s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
I wasn't talking about them getting the death penalty, I was just talking about how you need proof in order for somebody to get in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor? We have clearance, Clarence. Over, Under.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyhawk
to even think paying the players would stop cheating.
Yall (MSU & UM) need to learn to "cheat well with one another"...
Bad things can happen to everyone when you start a war over these things...
Everyone does it to some extent, and as long as no one is goin' all "Cecil Newton", ya gotta let some things slide...
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Originally Posted by TUSK
Being that they have turned us in the last 2 times we have gotten on probation because of their jealousy that we are passing them by, I dont see it happening
Last 2 is being nice
^^^^^ This 1,000 times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I think what we have is a fan base that is just tired of playing by different rules. We are tired of being the team that never defends itself, never plays the game aggressively, and never goes on the offensive when we know what's coming. While UM is literally running recruits around Oxford with their star players throwing around drugs, alcohol, sluts, and cash at them, we're throwing costume parties in the weight room and serving Big-K while kids are wasting half their eligibility because of a couple handshakes and a discount on an old car. WHAT THE ****, Bracky, WHAT THE ****.
I know we play some of the game, but I'm sick of seeing our team get pushed around like little bitches while UM does whatever the hell it wants. I don't want to hear any whining about lawyers and money and whatever. We have all that stuff too. Despite what UM wants us to believe, there is no disparity between the two of us financially, politically, or any other way. The difference is UM is willing to go all the way in to win at recruiting. We are not.
You know why DeWiener ratted us out over nothing? It wasn't just that UM alums were paying him and pushing him. It was that we were not. You know why Alabama and Auburn don't get in trouble? Because they pay people to STFU. That's all it takes. There have been investigators all over Memphis looking for evidence against the Alabama schools. There has been plenty of it to find too, but you know what, the folks that knew things one day, suddenly got cloudy on it the next. The color green apparently makes people forget things.
I couldn't give two shits about those kids getting new houses. I wish we could give new houses to every kid that plays at MSU. They deserve them. The inequity between the money the schools, ESPN, shoe companies, hell, even the the hot dog vendors make off of the relentless effort these kids put in is morally repugnant. Anybody who thinks the education and other minor benefits these kids get from being football players is fair and satisfactory doesn't understand economics. I will never look down on a family that takes compensation for what their kids are bringing to the table for the school.
That being said, those aren't the rules. Neither are the ones that the NCAA has written down, because they don't enforce them unless you put something in the press that can't be ignored. We need to quit bitching about what UM is doing and get to playing the same game everyone else is. We have the right staff to make leaps and bounds forward, but we need the talent to take the next step. We won't get that talent unless we are willing to compete for it.
I would like to be the first to welcome Les Miles to the board.
Welcome sir, I hope that your time here is on par the attitude that permeates through the vortex of life's nodules.
I seen thatQuote:
Originally Posted by yakalot
Codedawg with a dead, solid perfect post
LI DMN SURE SEEN THAT!!! Great post.Quote:
Originally Posted by codeDawg
Motion to start a Elitedawgs Remember forum.