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What are your thoughts on the season premiere? Can't say I'm sad to see Carter bite the dust. He was a moron. Plus, you just don't mess with the mullet.
Interesting seeing the interaction between Morgan and Rick's group. He definitely has Carol pegged.
Biggest question I have is who the hell is blaring the horn and drawing Walkers to the camp?
Eugene is the GOAT
I think it is Porch Dick's son blasting the horn. I think they wait to introduce the wolves. Maybe a couple episodes before the mid season finale. It appears to me that Morgan and Michonne may now be the conscious of the group. I had hoped no one in the group would have that role this season and that all in Rick's group would be the monsters that would just as soon shoot you as look at you if you got in their way and have someone from the community try to be pansy. One thing for sure, with the past history of the show, the voice of compassion always dies. If they hold that trend then that would mean Michonne or Morgan doesn't survive the season. My money is on Michonne. I don't think they drag Morgan's character along like they did only to have him die the one season he finally gets a regular role.
I think Michonne is safe as long as ratings are decent. Just too popular. Early on, anybody was fair game as the story was about how people respond as society breaks down. After six seasons, I think the show is very much about some of the characters. I think Rick and Carl (because he gives a plausible purpose to Rick to keep him from going off the deepend; I don't think his daughter is sufficient for the shows purpose since she can't interact with him) are basically untouchable, as long as ratings are decent and there are no major contract disputes. I think Michonne is right after them. I think Darryl and Carol are right after Michonne (Darryl may be with Michonne b/c he is a fan favorite; not sure he is as integral to the story though), and then pizza delivery boy and his wife after them. When they need to shake things up, I think one of pizza boy and his wife will be the first to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
The one caveat i have is that the writers have clearly been keeping MOrgan in the picture for an important story arc. I could see that arc only lasting this season, but if it lasts longer than this season, he could sort of replace Michonne. They are both people that figured out how to live int he new world but sort of lost their humanity while doing so. And now they have progressed to where they have regained more of their humanity than Rick.
Rick, Carl, Daryl & Michonne are untouchable. The it's Carol.......Glenn/Maggie...everyone else. I wouldn't be surprised if Glenn or Maggie get it this season.
I'm not so sure Michonne is untouchable. For me, she's one of the main characters it wouldn't kill me to see leave. Carl used to hold that spot but now I keep waiting to see him go full psychotic like he started to do back at the prison. The only two I think are truly untouchable are Rick and Daryl. The fans would riot if either of them died. I just hope they let Rick tap the former wife of Porch Dick. I had thought before the season finale they would play that tension up of him wanting her but the husband is still around more.
I don't think she's untouchable because she's popular (although I do think she's popular, especially among fans that are fans of the books and the TV show). I think she's untouchable because she is integral to Rick's story and the entire series is still Rick focused.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
I think the only character that is untouchable simply because of their popularity is Darryl. Any of the other characters, even including Rick I think, could be gotten rid of as far as popularity goes. I think it would just increase the level of difficulty for the writers. It'd be incredibly hard to get rid of Rick and for the writers to still put out a show that fans considered a continuation of what has happened so far. The same is true of Carl. Even when fans hated him, he was safe because he was important to RIck. The same is true of Michonne, but to a lesser extent than Carl; especially since Morgan could be developed to fill a similar role that Michonne is currently filling.
Last night had to rank as one of my favorite episodes of the series. I absolutely loved that Carol is one forever more heartless killer. At the ending, were they trying to imply that Morgan was leaving Alexandria? I know he won't...I figure that he would be stopped by the walker herd. I really hope they turn him more ruthless. I'm betting those that he let go come back to kill somebody later in the season he really likes and maybe that does it. Or they kill him.
Love the fact that Crazy Carol is back. I felt the same, that they were showing Morgan as ready to leave. Surely not just after 2 episodes of being back but he was disgusted the whole time the killing was going on. I was hoping when he finally had to kill the wolf that attacked him in the woods that it would sink in. Was hoping what Rick told him, "I don't take chances anymore" would hit him like a ton of bricks but that didn't appear to be the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
This episode was by far the best in the last two seasons at least. The way they brought the wolves in was awesome. Carol seeing that woman smoking and she just looking out the window at her, then bam! And what is up with that girl that Carl has a thing for? I can't figure her out. She says things that make you think she's gonna turn on the group and then she'll act normal and then just up and vanishes
It was really good last night. My only complain is I can't stand Morgan's story arc. Too cheesy and cliche. Ready for them to wrap that up, preferably by killing him off, but if not, then by having him act realistically.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
Yeah, you'd think as long as he spent out on his own he would realize you can't be a pacifist. I really hope they only reason they kept stringing his character along was not to be the one that whines and complains anytime something less than civilized has to take place. I got tired of Hershcel's character pretty quick always being a wimp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
The ending I couldn't figure out if Morgan was leaving or not. I thought it was interesting the way they showed Morgan and Carol walking. It looked like losing Carol's group of cooking friends had affected her more than she lets on. She acted more human than just killing survival machine. Morgan finally came to the realization that to survive, sometimes you might have to kill more than walkers. I wonder if he was leaving human civilization all together. Being completely alone is the only way he can truly live like that.
It will be interesting to see who is left from Alexandria and are they going to have to leave it if the herd overruns the community.
man, what an episode. I didn't think it would escalate that quickly.
Morgan will stick around. they have spent too much time building up his return to the show to just have him wander off into self-exile.
he'll be the moral compass of the group now
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Loved loved loved this episode! Carol is a boss. She gets it. But I do think things affect her more than she lets on. And her dressing up like one of the Wolves? Awesome.
Morgan is the new moral compass. Saw a comment from Lennie James who plays him talking about how Morgan has never really been responsible for anyone before, maybe one or two people at most. He's basically having to learn how to survive in a group setting. I don't see him going anywhere. I thought at the end when he killed the Wolf he finally realized what surviving in the world might take.
Going to be interesting for sure to see who's left with the Walker heard coming right on the heels of the Wolves' attack. And I'm wondering what Deanna's facial expression was all about the last time we saw her. They need to kill the priest. He has no purpose except dividing the group. Carl and the teens' story bores me. Carl himself has actually become a pretty solid character, though. Kept thinking Jessie was going to get offed. She and Rick just need to go ahead and get it on already.
I think Rick is going to get some of that before too much longer. She was mad at him earlier for showing her son how life really is but then she found out he was right there at the end.
Looks like Maggie is available now.
Well. That episode hurt. So, is Maggie preggers with little Glen or not?
I really thought they wouldn't kill Glen until he had a child with Maggie.
He did die in the mags and it was appropriately violent and gruesome (probably why it was similar), but he was killed by a human.
Is there any chance we were seeing Nicolas's guts as he lay on top of Glen. Maybe he slips into dumpster somehow? Idk who could even show up to save him.
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Originally Posted by BulldogBear
That'd be about his only option to me. There is a chance it was Nicholas, just a very slim one. I noticed on Talking Dead they did a memorial for Nicholas but not Glenn so we shall see
They did mention on Talking Dead that Glenn would be in a future episode but they won't say how. Could be a walker which would be the cruelest shit ever.
Even crueler would be making Maggie have to kill him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe
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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
This is exactly what i was rhinking. If he does come back, he's more than likely a walker and makes it back to Alexandria with Maggie having to off him. That'd be brutal.
No worse than carl killing his Mother and Darryl killing His brother.
Or would Morgan do it since he had to kill his wife in the first season? As much as I liked Glen I really hope this isn't some how going to be where they bring him back and he survived the attack. The only thing that causes me to keep coming back to that was that he said that he would send some kind of signal that they would recognize to let them know he was ok. Keep wondering if they are setting up some kind of plot twist where he really wasn't killed. I'd have to rewatch the episode but I thought I saw blood pouring out of his mouth which leads me to believe that was him getting torn open. But if that is the case then no way he becomes a walker that makes it back to Alexandria. The walkers would eat him until he is gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by chainedup_Dawg
Man, this season has been really really good. I'm interested to see what happens to Rick. He clearly 17'd up his hand. Didn't see if he was bit or if he just cut himself. I know he looses his hand in the comics but I was kind of hopeful that Merle took that storyline
I think it's just effed up. I was reading something last night where Kirkman doesn't want Rick to lose his hand in the tv show.Quote:
Originally Posted by jumbo
I think he cut it on the machete that was sticking through one of the walker's. Too late for him to cut it off now. I'm guessing since they stressed it so much, there is going to be a short story arc involving uncertainty over whether the cut with the dirty blade (or maybe a bone of the walker if it wasn't the machete, pretty sure he wasn't bitten) resulted in an infection.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
Yeah not sure that I buy these fan theories on how Glenn could still be alive.
His use in future episodes obviously could be flashbacks, as a walker, or the same way all the previous seasons dead called Tyreese to succumb to death.
I agree. I think he's dead. Just weird they didn't mention him in the memorial section of Talking Dead. My main area of interest now is how they get Rick out of the RV and how big a deal they make out of his hand being cut. You would have to think him cutting his hand while killing walkers would have gotten him infected. Here's a wild conspiracy theory for you. Could they for whatever reason be making this the final season and starting to kill off main characters? I can't believe this would be the case, but you never know. The producers may be wanting to go out on top instead of dragging it on until it was well past its expiration date.Quote:
Originally Posted by SignalToNoise
Doesn't matter to me one way or the other but I think Glenn is alive. Remember, when he set out for the feed store he told Michonne that he'd leave signs that he was ok if he wasn't able to make it back to the group. My theory is that for the next 99.9% of the season, we won't hear or see anything then, at 8:58pm during the season finale, someone on a supply run will see some kind of hint that Glenn is alive and that will be the cliff hangar. I hope this isn't the case because that's just way too predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
I'm thinking Rick's hand will get infected (no not zombie infection, everyone already has that in them remember) and will have to be lopped off. He was an amputee in the comics but The Governor did the deed there.
Everyone has the infection that turns them into a zombie, but there is still the infection that comes from a bite. If the infection is from a bite, it's probably already too late for amputation. People don't rot locally from the site of the bite, they get fever and die. He would have had to amputate his hand pretty quickly to ensure that his circulation didn't carry infection. If it's just a general local infection, they have antibiotics at the community. Unless they don't make it back, it should be treatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mjoelner
My guess is still that it's from the machete sticking out of the walker and that part of the storyline will be him wondering whether he is infected or not.
I think so too. Maybe if for no other reason than the producers and writers not wanting to have to fool with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
So a whole 90 minutes on how Morgan became a pansy? Holding out hope the last 20 minutes has some hope.
Episode definitely pissed me off. Bad. gonna do an episode like this -- don't troll us by doing it directly after it hit the fan...Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
I've only watched around half an hour of the episode. Is this a 90 minute episode?Quote:
Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg
Yep. And the last hour is just as boring as the first 30 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnson85
that didn't need to be a 90 minute episode.
I liked the episode but I don't know why it was 90 minutes. I kept expecting them to jump back to Now and finish something. The last few episodes have been balls to the wall so it didn't bother me to have a slow episode.
I actually enjoyed the episode. It was a nice change of pace. And you know they always do this after a huge episode. It was cool to see how Morgan went from Insane Morgan to Jedi Morgan. And the big reveal at the end that he's keeping a Wolf locked up is bound to have consequences. Plus they're setting up him having to reconcile his new pacifist tendencies with the way the world has devolved. At some point he's going to have to decide to kill or die and I'm thinking the Wolf is going to have a big part to play in that process.