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I don't see it. We'll see what they list for his weight in this year's roster.
If you don't think Dak has lost weight (A) You're blind (B) Need to click the link and listen to Mike Detillier on OOB who has covered him since HS (C) Roster weights are as worthless as weights on women's drivers licensesQuote:
Originally Posted by FlabLoser
I'm not buying it either. I don't believe Detillier can look at Dak in a suit and tell he's slimmer than last year. Those three games we were more pass-centric in at the end of last year? We lost those games.
You've got to run the ball well to win in this conference. For us, that starts with Dak.
I understand Dak's passing will need to improve for the NFL, but Dak has been working on improving that anyway. He stills understands what makes our offense work and that's running the ball.
I'm a little concerned if we try to be a pass first team. You hit on all the reasons why it could be successful (experienced WR, etc.). However, that just doesn't seem to be Mullen's offensive philosophy/forte. Everything so far seems to be run first and when we get away from it we don't have good years. Think Tyler Russell's senior year. Plus in the back of my mind this has echo's of Relf's senior year when everyone said how much he worked to improve his footwork/passing. I hope we are still a run first team but rely on the RB to carry the load moreso than Dak.
He wasn't wearing a suit at the Manning passing academy.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
Just look at the schedule poster. He is thinner.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Just an FYI, if you're not buying that Dak has trimmed down you are buying being 100% wrong. Now we can discuss if this means anything like passing more or running less but Dak has cut down and that's not even remotely debatable
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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Or (D) we need better pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
OK let's say Dak is slimmer. There is no way I think that signals a change in our offense. We were balls to the wall awesome last year. Dak played a B- game against Bama in Tuscaloosa. The defense laid a rotten egg in Oxford. Our DC checked out of our bowl game. That's about all you can say about negatives from last year. Our offensive strategy was never the problem. We put of something like the 6th best offensive numbers in all of SEC HISTORY.
Maybe Dak worked extra hard on his conditioning and couldn't help but be leaner.
I don't see that pointing to pass-first. Dak wouldn't need to be leaner for pass-first.
Odds are better that Dak did in the offseason what Dixon did in his last collegiate offseason - and that's get in the absolute best shape he can possibly be in.
Come on, Beast. Dak's a workout warrior. He could be the same weight with less body fat. What you all think is "trimmed down" could be just a natural progression of his workouts and proper diet. I seriously doubt Dak weighs much less than he did last year if any at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
I don't believe it. None. Sorry bro.
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And if we change our offense to pass-first, we hand the SEC West championship to Auburn. Or Alabama. Just give it to them. Because they are going to run the ball.
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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
The name of the article is Prescott's Pysique. It's not "Dak lost 15 lbs". Dak's physique has changed. its a discussion about if the change in Pysique is a signal to anything.
1. Dak has slimmed his body up. Does that mean he weighs any less? Maybe not but he's done the work to be more flexible & not as bulky.
2. We're never going to be a "pass first" team but will be closer to 50/50 run/pass ratio than we've ever been. We'd be foolish not to. Our identity won't change we'll still be physical, tough, hard nosed team but you'd be crazy not to take advantage of the QB & group of WR's we have on campus.
Still, if he has added muscle and lost fat - which would change his physique - why would that signal a change to a pass-first offense? If anything, that would suggest preparation to run the ball to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Pretty much sums up the discussion. Some people are acting like I said "Dak is now a weak feeble QB who will have to pass or he will get broken in half. Cancel the season MSU sucks".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Has nobody in this thread seen pictures of Dak from this summer?
it' s blatantly obvious that Dak has slimmed his torso CONSIDERABLY in the offseason... If you can't see that you are either blind or dumb
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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
I'm really wondering what you read because let me quote some things from the article:
"noticeably slimmed down dak"
"changing his body"
"trimmed down dak"
"What does a body change mean for Dak as a QB"
"body recomposition is a direct result of what scouts told him"
"Changing body tells me he wants to be a more fluid and smooth in his athleticism... improving footwork which in turn helps accuracy"
"If we're letting strengths of the offense dictate what we'll see it has to be more passing"
"Dak decided to lose some weight and remake his body"
"Signs point to Dak leading a more pass-centric offense"
No where in that article did I ever mention pass first or present any change in Dak's body as a negative. If you don't think Dak took his NFL feedback and put that into his preparation for his senior year, I don't know what to tell you.
I like that article. I do think he's lost some weight to set himself up to be a more agile pocket passer. I also think that we will pass more as an offense for the reasons you stated (youth at RB and OL) but there could be some pitfalls. If we pass more, then we will have to protect more or get rid of the ball faster. I think if we can see the ball released in a more timely fashion rather than attempting to check down to a 3-4th route, we will improve. Dak needs to throw the ball into the 6th row more often.
He's lost weight to be quicker running the ball
You just quoted and contradicted yourself at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Calm down, dude. We may just be looking at things from the opposite side of the street. Like how people tend to describe the same accident differently. Y'all see changed his physique "considerably". I see a logical progression of his workouts. It was the next step and no big deal to me. It doesn't mean his body is that much different from last year or that our offense will change its focus.
exactly. Why are people thinking losing weight makes you throw it better? That's stupid. He'll be a better runner dropping some weight. It won't have anything to do with throwing the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Losing weight doesn't make you throw the ball better but reshaping your body making you more flexible does. Being a big ball of muscle is great for running on 3rd & 2 but it doesn't help with your passing or mechanics. He's reshaping his body to be a better player. Running, passing, everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottycameron
He is getting NFL ready.. Which means better Dak and better Dak for MSU this year...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Which is the most important thing that needs to be taken away from all of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
What it means to me is that in the 4 OOC games, he better run the ball less than 10 times total, unless they are broken plays.
Save the pounding for when we need it.
100% correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
This is what it boils down to in its simplest form without splitting hairs: I think Dak changed his body. I think we throw more. You disagree with both points.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
You have to understand what you're arguing and the likelihood of it being a good argument, particularly Dak's workouts just taking a natural next progression. This is the deal. Dak has been on campus for over 4 years. His body has been composed 1 way for 3.5 years (muscular, bulky, thick). So you mean to tell me that he got a draft grade with feedback in December and then in 6 months his body looks different than it has for the previous 3.5 b/c of a natural progression? Come on man.
I've been lifting weights for 15 years. You have to understand that Dak is in the top 1% in genetic makeup for build and athleticism. You're body just doesn't change like that in 6 months unless he made a big change in how he wanted it to be. Now it boils down to why and what is his motivation? I think Dak's biggest motivation is the NFL. He identified a plan of attack to prepare himself to improve on what the scouts told him. Dak's change isn't some chance deal b/c he's a workout warrior. Dak and the MSU know exactly what they are doing and are dialing in exactly where they want to dial in.
have any of you given thought to the idea that maybe, just maybe, our younger QBs (Fitz and Staley) will get some opportunities to come in on those short yardage situations in order to get the 1st down with a QB run? Mullen has used the bigger, younger QBs in that fashion everywhere he has been - Utah, Bowling Green, Florida, Miss State. I would think that some of the heavy hitting will fall on their shoulders at times this season in order to take some load off of Dak's back....pun intended.
had to get that one in there
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Bingo. Being a more flexible athlete (I called it "fluid") leads to more precise footwork which is of extreme importance for accuracy which is the #1 thing Dak has to work on. Not to mention how he can become a better one field runner which I noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
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Originally Posted by Westdawg
Great point. Especially considering that's how Dak was brought around his rFr year
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Originally Posted by mic
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Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
I believe when he says "more pass-centric" he means we will focus on passing more than we have in the past. That just means passing more than previous years, not being a pass first team. That's the way it read to me anyway
Uh ... that's actually what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
Where we disagree is you thinking Dak's body has been the same for 3.5 years and then he made this dramatic change in six months. I think Dak would tell you that he had specific goals each year and strove to improve physically each year. I think this "considerable" change you all are seeing this year is simply "Dak and MSU knowing what they are doing and are dialing in exactly where they want to dial in". Just like they do with every athlete. Every year.
It was the next step in his development, man.
You're still not reading what I said. I didn't say "his body has been the same for 3.5 year". I said his body was composed the same as in how he's genetically pre disposed to build and hold muscle.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
So what are we getting at? What's the next step in his progression? On the field of course? It isn't being a better, more accurate passer is it?
Definitely. That's part of it. He's obviously been working hard on his passing and decision making. It doesn't mean we're going to be a pass-centric offense though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeastMan
I think the guy is just trying to be a better player overall. Physically, mentally and anything else he can do to be a better player. That's why we love him.
I think you are correct. If Dak doesn't run the ball, I don't think we're going to win very many. I know he wants to concentrate on his passing skills for NFL purposes, but our team needs him to run the ball to be successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSUDawg4Life
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