Per BeastMan sources

2 different convos. 2 completely different sets of info.2 different guys. Both as close to each situation as you can get.


1.Fred Ross is a monster. A current teammate went as far as to call him "the truth". He is tearing up summer workouts making a huge impression.

2. Freeze has doubled down on his use of faith with MS kids. Not only that, he has the kids sold that Mullen has no Christian faith. Freeze is winning with the kids they have committed on the "Mullen isn't a Christian" line.


My takes on these:

1: Ross may be the jewel of this class; for immediate impact anyway. Every single report I've heard has him balling out but the convo I had last night I trust the most. I've read it from folks I don't know but now I don't doubt it at all.

2. I honestly have never had ill will toward any coach OM has ever had but I despise this Jesus act Freeze is putting on. Either be a 100% morals guy or be a slimeball, I don't care. He's doing great now but he's setting up for the ultimate "fall from grace" when he gets muddied up, which has happened to every SEC coach at some point. The part that really burns me up is that he doesn't just talk up his faith, he downs others faith. That is nowhere in the teachings of Jesus. It's a fraud. This point isn't up for debate either. He proved it in his first recruiting cycle with Richie Brown and his father. Luckily for MSU, they were intelligent enough to not fall for the Beni Hinn act.

Can you provide examples about the richie brown recruitment for people that don't know what happened

#1 is great news.

#2 is not, nor should it be surprising. I hope it is something all future coaches and administrators keep in mind when making hires. Your bread and butter is going to be in rural areas with the highest church going rates in the country. I hope we've got a way to discredit it but from the looks of it we don't. I'm not arguing that Freeze's approach is remotely ok, just that it is no more surprising than breaking all the rules on visits.

Any kid or potential student that wouldnt attend MSU because someone said that a coach has no Christian faith or isnt a Christian isnt smart enough to graduate high school and should not be welcome at MSU. World is full of suckers and they need to attend Ole Miss. I dont care if they are a 15 star football player. They are too stupid to be let outdoors.

Let him sell it. If they buy it, he helped us out.

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2 different convos. 2 completely different sets of info.2 different guys. Both as close to each situation as you can get.


1.Fred Ross is a monster. A current teammate went as far as to call him "the truth". He is tearing up summer workouts making a huge impression.

2. Freeze has doubled down on his use of faith with MS kids. Not only that, he has the kids sold that Mullen has no Christian faith. Freeze is winning with the kids they have committed on the "Mullen isn't a Christian" line.


My takes on these:

1: Ross may be the jewel of this class; for immediate impact anyway. Every single report I've heard has him balling out but the convo I had last night I trust the most. I've read it from folks I don't know but now I don't doubt it at all.

2. I honestly have never had ill will toward any coach OM has ever had but I despise this Jesus act Freeze is putting on. Either be a 100% morals guy or be a slimeball, I don't care. He's doing great now but he's setting up for the ultimate "fall from grace" when he gets muddied up, which has happened to every SEC coach at some point. The part that really burns me up is that he doesn't just talk up his faith, he downs others faith. That is nowhere in the teachings of Jesus. It's a fraud. This point isn't up for debate either. He proved it in his first recruiting cycle with Richie Brown and his father. Luckily for MSU, they were intelligent enough to not fall for the Beni Hinn act.

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On #2 - he would have to be selling the Christian act to the parents because all I see being sold to the recruits on OVs to OM is loose women and a big party scene (just ask Chris Jones). I doubt the vast majority of the recruits they are getting could care one way or the other if Freeze is a Christian or not but the Mommas do and that is who Freeze is selling. So likely simultaneous while the recruit is partying down and being "serviced" on the official visit Freeze is visiting with the parents telling them all the great Christian values he is going to teach their son while he is at OM. Its all sickening to me.

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Can you provide examples about the richie brown recruitment for people that don't know what happened

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may not get the exact words right, but in effect he told Richie "I fear for your soul if you go to Mississippi State."

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Any kid or potential student that wouldnt attend MSU because someone said that a coach has no Christian faith or isnt a Christian

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Think about mama

So let me get this straight

Freeze: "Momma, he is not a christian, that I can promise you. Just ask him"
Momma: "Ok Rev Freeze I sure will."

Momma: "Mr. Mullen, are you a christian because Rev Freeze says you aren't"
Mullen: "Of course I am, that is ridiculous."
Momma: "Sorry, I don't believe you cause Rev Freeze says so"

That has got to be the biggest load of horse shit I have ever heard. Not calling anyone out for stating it but cmon now, you really think this is a recruiting strategy that works? If it is, I agree that those who fall for it do not need to be at our school any damn way.

wonder what happens when the parents attend the OV with the recruit ... someone must be distracting the folks while the party rolls on - you know they never lost a party dont you

Dan doesn't do much to temper his language

Hugh should tread lightly on speaking ill of others' deeds/morals. I'd hate for "rumors" to leak out on one of his former briarcrest student/babysitter.

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may not get the exact words right, but in effect he told Richie "I fear for your soul if you go to Mississippi State."

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Damn, that's low as hell if true, I would be tempted to knock those tree choppers out of his head if he disrespected me in my house like that.

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Hugh should tread lightly on speaking ill of others' deeds/morals. I'd hate for "rumors" to leak out on one of his former briarcrest student/babysitter.

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would be a black day for freeze if it were to come out to be true.

And if the parents are gullible enough to buy #2, well I have some beach front property in Arizona for sale.

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would be a black day for freeze if it were to come out to be true.

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Come on

America loves a good **** up trying to rebuild their lives story.

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Come on

America loves a good **** up trying to rebuild their lives story.

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they'd probably make a movie about it.

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would be a black day for freeze if it were to come out.

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Fixed it for ya.

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Come on

America loves a good **** up trying to rebuild their lives story.

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Not when it's a grown man banging a teenage girl. This isn't an Evan gattis story...

Change of subject but can I hear or get a link to the Evan Gattis story.

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Change of subject but can I hear or get a link to the Evan Gattis story.

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http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2122585

Mobile site

Thanks.

The Christian faith thing should be pretty easy for Dan to fix.

1. Have Dan talk at a few churches.

2. Put something out there on video about Dan talking about his faith.

Fixed.

The problem with Freeze using this strategy is that he is portraying himself like he is a preacher who is going to not only bring great success to your son on the football field and in the classroom but he will also turn your son into a devout Christian. If you don't think this is appealing to black mothers than you have your head in the sand. They want their son to break the mold and be a community leader rather than just another statistic. I am stereotyping, but that is the case most of the time.

I don't think Mullen should say anything unless it comes up in regular conversation. Mark Richt is a Christian and he speaks about his faith but he doesn't parade it around with hashtags and program mottos and use it as a recruiting tool. He is genuine, but Freeze he is a snake. As the song goes...what's done in the dark will be brought to the light, sooner or later God will cut you down.

What we need to do as State fans is let this recruiting tactic be known so recruits and their parents are aware of it and potentially question it's authenticity.

Great way to put it GoHF. I think Freeze is smart enough to identify which families he can lay the bs on thick to. Please don't turn this political but we see who Jacksonians elected mayor. We see where Freeze is having success. That leads me to believe that the majority of families in Jackson are willing to buy in to bs

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Great way to put it GoHF. I think Freeze is smart enough to identify which families he can lay the bs on thick to. Please don't turn this political but we see who Jacksonians elected mayor. We see where Freeze is having success. That leads me to believe that the majority of families in Jackson are willing to buy in to bs

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That and car rides and scholarships that won't be honored. I hope like hell ole miss honors all of those guys from Calloway. But they won't.

Whatcha mean Homedawg?

Man, Mullen makes his guys go to church if I recall. I highly doubt Freeze is convincing anyone of that line, if in fact he is even using it, which I doubt. Move along.

Also, on #1, not buying any freshman hype unless they are Adrian Peterson or Jadaveon Clowney types. Which Fred Ross ain't.

"What we need to do as State fans is let this recruiting tactic be known so recruits and their parents are aware of it and potentially question it's authenticity."


Exactly. What are we really complaining about? The fact that we don't cheat as well as others? That our leadership doesn't have the pull on the upper levels that other schools have? Well sure.

News flash everyone: The compliance officer doesn't control who has a lawyer and who doesn't. He doesn't control the back room deals on the NCAA capital hill. That is the president of our university. But in the end, even he doesn't control US, the numbskulls who do things in public that get us caught. It isn't the kids, or the coaches, it's us.

Now do other fan bases break the rules without caring? Of course they do. Does the ncaa turn the other way on certain schools? Holy mother of Maurice Clarette you bet they do. But that has to do with the influence they have at the highest level. That is where the backroom deals are made.

Compliance offices only advise WHAT the rules are to those who present them with questions. It's an office set up to show the NCAA that the school is attempting to educate those involved in the recruiting process instead of shrugging shoulders when the penalties come down. How our university is defended is based on it's highest leadership.


How about we all grow up and think a bit bigger? Who did billy brewer get upset at when he went down? Gerald Turner. And with good reason. Turner, rightly, turned his back on the moron for being such a dumbass. When did the investigation really start on Sherrill? When we had an Interim president and nobody to protect us on the highest level. Donald Z would have never let that happen. Robert Khyat would have never let Brewers career end the way it did. How does any head coach 'get away with it'? The chancellor or the president of the university having some pull is how.

Oh, anyone remember who was the president of the NCAA when the Maurice Clarette scandal happened at Ohio State? The former PRESIDENT OF THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.

Complaining about Bracky is like swatting at a gnat with an axe.

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"What we need to do as State fans is let this recruiting tactic be known so recruits and their parents are aware of it and potentially question it's authenticity."


Exactly. What are we really complaining about? The fact that we don't cheat as well as others? That our leadership doesn't have the pull on the upper levels that other schools have? Well sure.

News flash everyone: The compliance officer doesn't control who has a lawyer and who doesn't. He doesn't control the back room deals on the NCAA capital hill. That is the president of our university. But in the end, even he doesn't control US, the numbskulls who do things in public that get us caught. It isn't the kids, or the coaches, it's us.

Now do other fan bases break the rules without caring? Of course they do. Does the ncaa turn the other way on certain schools? Holy mother of Maurice Clarette you bet they do. But that has to do with the influence they have at the highest level. That is where the backroom deals are made.

Compliance offices only advise WHAT the rules are to those who present them with questions. It's an office set up to show the NCAA that the school is attempting to educate those involved in the recruiting process instead of shrugging shoulders when the penalties come down. How our university is defended is based on it's highest leadership.


How about we all grow up and think a bit bigger? Who did billy brewer get upset at when he went down? Gerald Turner. And with good reason. Turner, rightly, turned his back on the moron for being such a dumbass. When did the investigation really start on Sherrill? When we had an Interim president and nobody to protect us on the highest level. Donald Z would have never let that happen. Robert Khyat would have never let Brewers career end the way it did. How does any head coach 'get away with it'? The chancellor or the president of the university having some pull is how.

Oh, anyone remember who was the president of the NCAA when the Maurice Clarette scandal happened at Ohio State? The former PRESIDENT OF THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY.

Complaining about Bracky is like swatting at a gnat with an axe.

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This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this board.

Aside from the fact that our compliance department royally screwed up the recent investigation, if you see the type of compliance directors other SEC schools have compared to the resume ours has and don't think that is a problem, then perhaps you are part of the problem.

While I agree the blame can be spread from the bottom of the general public to the top of the unviersity, it's also compliance's job to inform student athletes that they have the right to have a lawyer provided to them at no charge prior to sending them into a 3-4 hour interview with investigators and lawyers.

Is banging a high school girl while being a coach at said school really being a Christian?

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The Christian faith thing should be pretty easy for Dan to fix.

1. Have Dan talk at a few churches.

2. Put something out there on video about Dan talking about his faith.

Fixed.

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Some people take their faith a little more seriously than that.

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This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this board.

Aside from the fact that our compliance department royally screwed up the recent investigation, if you see the type of compliance directors other SEC schools have compared to the resume ours has and don't think that is a problem, then perhaps you are part of the problem.

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Yep...

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Hank Flick

This is one of the worst posts I've ever seen on this board.

Aside from the fact that our compliance department royally screwed up the recent investigation, if you see the type of compliance directors other SEC schools have compared to the resume ours has and don't think that is a problem, then perhaps you are part of the problem.

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+1 Nailed it. There's so much wrong with that post, I don't even know where to start.

Considering that it doesn't go with the message board party line that Brett is the cause of our problems your response isn't surprising.

But please.....rail away at the great and powerful OZ Bracky Brett behind the curtain. It sounds SO smart.

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Considering that it doesn't go with the message board party line that Brett is the cause of our problems your response isn't surprising.

But please.....rail away at the great and powerful OZ Bracky Brett behind the curtain. It sounds SO smart.

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I know Bracky and he is far from the being the great and powerful OZ. Bracky fits better in an Andy Griffith Barber Shop scene. But I have a hard time believing that Keenum is telling Bracky to go around writing down vin numbers on football players cars as he has been caught doing. If this is indeed coming from Keenum or Strick- then by all means- they too need some guidance or warning

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I know Bracky and he is far from the being the great and powerful OZ. Bracky fits better in an Andy Griffith Barber Shop scene. But I have a hard time believing that Keenum is telling Bracky to go around writing down vin numbers on football players cars as he has been caught doing. If this is indeed coming from Keenum or Strick- then by all means- they too need some guidance or or warning

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Are you serious? We don't deserve any better with somebody like that on the payroll.

Wait, someone named bracky works for msu? Did he go to ole miss?

Who would name their ****ing kid bracky?

Look you guys know me fairly well from my posts that I am as an avid Bulldawg as any on here, but Dan is Catholic. It's uhhh a little different (sarkastericks) from being a Christian. Am I saying that this is a tool that should be used by Freeze.....why not? And the comment about getting CDM to "speak at churches" is as stupid as saying Derek Taite was & is MSU greatest QB ever. Look I live & breathe Jesus & God's word....be a VERY CAREFUL about using the term "Jesus freak" in a negative connotation. In these times I wouldn't want to walk in your shoes if you did. If Freeze is using his salvation as a tool to recruit....as a MSU fan I'm fine with it. Because one thing about the Creator....HIS WILL...WILL BE DONE no matter what color polo or hat you've got on your head. Does it make CDM any less as a coach/recruiter? No. The fact of recruiting is this CDM is going to go after the 2* Benadrick's & 2* Banks. Stars don't win championships well coached players & schemes DO. Leave it at that.

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Wait, someone named bracky works for msu? Did he go to ole miss?

Who would name their ****ing kid bracky?

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I laughed.