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is it possible that if Nkem @ OM leaves after this year that he won't have 10 career sacks? he only has 4 through 2 seasons despite starting most of the time. Is there room for him to improve to 6 this year?

Won't NFL GMs consider this?

Usually, about 5 DL go every year in the 1st round. 3 of those are DEs who are sack machines unlike him. Only one or two DTs every year, but even those guys approach big numbers and are carrying more weight than him.

how much will his HS credentials matter to the NFL?

Mel Kiper just came out with a top 10 for next year's draft- and had Kimchee in the top 5. But one of the things he said was "I'd like to see more production from him this season"

Yeah, Mel- so would everybody. Hype only takes you so far.

I think they are also putting a lot of hope/stock in him because they see him getting double-teamed. At the same time, the first-round talent finds a way to break double teams.

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Mel Kiper just came out with a top 10 for next year's draft- and had Kimchee in the top 5. But one of the things he said was "I'd like to see more production from him this season"

Yeah, Mel- so would everybody. Hype only takes you so far.

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Yeh I LOL'd when I saw that. Has 4 sacks and he's a top 5 pick. Oh ok, Makes sense. Also saw where this was a make a break year for Jones, even though his numbers are pretty much the same

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I think they are also putting a lot of hope/stock in him because they see him getting double-teamed. .

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EVERY DT thats worth a shit gets double-teamed. If your DT's arent getting doubled in a 4 man front- you need new DT's

Just curious, where did that mock draft have Chris Jones? I feel like he needs a big year to jump into the top 10.

Mel just had a top 10.

Jones looks like he has finally accepted being a DT. He simply grew out of being a DE- unless its a 3-4. I see no reason he wont have a huge year- especially now that James has lost weight and is wreaking havoc like he is capable of

Double teams didn't stop Fletcher Cox or Preston Smith.

Not Kiper, but here is McShay's first 2016 mock:

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We likely will have these guys drafted in the top 3 rounds next April:

Chris Jones
Dakota Prescott
Will Redmond
DeRunnya Wilson
Taveze Calhoun

Worried Calhoun's speed may push him back as he's not a burner, but he's a tough SOB.

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Worried Calhoun's speed may push him back as he's not a burner, but he's a tough SOB.

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Yep that's his biggest question mark. I'm not sure he can break into the high 4.5's & that will hurt him.

So a Penn Rape Qb and a Qb from Cal are considered to have a higher ceiling than Dak? I hope Dak comes out as determined as Kenny Powers and Clegg were on doing the 8ball of Coke on the 1st episode of Eastbound and Down! What does Dak have to do to be taken seriously? I hope he goes to the Manning Academy and tears it up.

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We likely will have these guys drafted in the top 3 rounds next April:

Chris Jones
Dakota Prescott
Will Redmond
DeRunnya Wilson
Taveze Calhoun

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Agree with everyone except Calhoun. Good kid, limited size/speed.

I like Justin Senior to have a shot late round, same with Ryan Brown. Also, I think Benny Brown has a chance to be a 4th-5th round pick next year. He will have very little left to prove after another big year.

Wanna know what's scary? We came in second for Jalen Ramsey and Myles Jack. Those two would've been HUGE for our defense this past year.

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So a Penn Rape Qb and a Qb from Cal are considered to have a higher ceiling than Dak? I hope Dak comes out as determined as Kenny Powers and Clegg were on doing the 8ball of Coke on the 1st episode of Eastbound and Down! What does Dak have to do to be taken seriously? I hope he goes to the Manning Academy and tears it up.

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Dak gets compared to Tebow a lot for obvious reasons. Despite the fact that Dak is a much better pro prospect than Tebow- especially when it comes to passing.

The fact of the matter is Dak has to refine his passing game and read defenses a little bit better. Personally, I think he will do that and if he has a really good year- he will be in the discussion for the first and second round.

I don't think Nkemdiche will have the breakout year they're expecting. To be fair, I'm not sure Chris Jones will either.

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Agree with everyone except Calhoun. Good kid, limited size/speed.

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http://walterfootball.com/draft2016CB.php

http://www.draftnikcentral.com/draft...6/cornerbacks/

He is routinely considered a top 8 CB for 2016. His speed may keep him in round 2 or 3- but he is a playmaker and someone will get him early

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Wanna know what's scary? We came in second for Jalen Ramsey and Myles Jack. Those two would've been HUGE for our defense this past year.

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We were in it for Ramsey but I don't think we the coaches were ever sold on us getting him & Jack never stepped foot on campus.

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Agree with everyone except Calhoun. Good kid, limited size/speed.

I like Justin Senior to have a shot late round, same with Ryan Brown. Also, I think Benny Brown has a chance to be a 4th-5th round pick next year. He will have very little left to prove after another big year.

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Calhoun is 6'1" 185lbs his size is what scouts love. Senior has 2yrs to keep improving & I see no way Beni leaves early even with a great year.

Benni isn't going anywhere.

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Benni isn't going anywhere.

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I wonder why - I think he is a great player, by the end of this year he will be a 3 year starter essentially for us. Im not saying you are wrong, but just wondering why he wouldn't look around.

LB's are becoming like RB's, if you aren't a speed edge rusher, you might as well get drafted and start your career.

Look at the stud at TCU this past year, he was amazing, but didn't get drafted until end of 3rd round.

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We were in it for Ramsey but I don't think we the coaches were ever sold on us getting him & Jack never stepped foot on campus.

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"We the coaches?" Don't give yourself away, dan.

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I wonder why - I think he is a great player, by the end of this year he will be a 3 year starter essentially for us. Im not saying you are wrong, but just wondering why he wouldn't look around.

LB's are becoming like RB's, if you aren't a speed edge rusher, you might as well get drafted and start your career.

Look at the stud at TCU this past year, he was amazing, but didn't get drafted until end of 3rd round.

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Benni is a great LB'er- but doesnt have the standard pro measureables. He's a tad short.

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"We the coaches?" Don't give yourself away, dan.

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Lol excuse the typo.

Noticed McShay says he has not done full tape studies on any of the players. So this is based on what? hype?

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Noticed McShay says he has not done full tape studies on any of the players. So this is based on what? hype?

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That class has the 'Jerry Lewis' syndrome going for it. Whatever mental disorder that caused the French to give that untalented twit the Legion of Honor is the same reason this minimally productive hype machine keeps getting treated like the next Reggie White. The guy would be comparable to first round busts like Aubrey Bruce or Big Daddy Wilkenson but they got great results in college. He just causes a double team, then when the tackle gets made by a TSUN LB some ESPN meat gazer creams himself that RK caused it.

RK's hype machine are like my wife telling me I simply don't understand Broadway Musicals. No, I think after 20 plus years of being drug to them I know beyond a shadow of a doubt they are all the same, BAD, and proof that some people should tell their children - "No, you really do not have a special talent, major in business, not theater." Broadway, BAD, RK, Overhyped. Settled in my mind.