Haven't seen much on here last few days was just curious
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Haven't seen much on here last few days was just curious
I guess we are all still trusting in I seen it dawg.
He's with lsu's commits this week it Chicago. Meyer, who is also there CB'ed Malik to lsu last night. Don't know if that means anything or not
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Originally Posted by msstate7
he's changed his CB on him 5-6 times now. I've pretty much lost all confidence in his pick.
May as well get comfortable. Malik isn't doing anything for at least another month or so. Just have to sit back & be patient. Meyer has changed his mind so much for Malik because he doesn't know what's going on. I still feel good about Malik but it's not a done deal. He's not going to make a final decision until at least April 27th (the day after the NBA entry deadline) & prolly wont until he takes all of his OV.
Meyer seems like he's operating similarly to the David Johnson method (CB any recruit who visits Oxford to OM) regarding Malik.
Malik won't do anything before declaration day for the NBA draft
April 27th is a long way away - what should we be hoping for?
I'm hoping mickey declares soon to help our case against LSU.
What should we hope for w/ Kentucky? Does it help their cause w/ Malik if calipari can bring back booker, lyles, johnson, & a harrison or 2 to increase the chances of another Final Four run? Or would they gain more ground w/ Malik by having a ton of departures, opening up PT?
Why is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
To see who leaves early for a few teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
That make sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I think Kentucky returning big men would help them, while returning too many guards would hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE
For example, Ulis is coming back, and Briscoe is coming in as the nation's top PG. So if they also have Booker and/or a Harrison return, I would assume that would hurt their chances. You know Briscoe is likely being sold on being their #1 PG, and Ulis will play a lot of PG as well. So that alone pretty much leaves him at SG, and if he has to fight for playing time there as well, I can't see him going there.
Mickey leaving would hurt LSU, and that's about the only thing to watch on that front.
I doubt him playing with LSU commits will influence much. Newman seems to have a good head on his shoulders and is trying to make the decision that will best prepare him for the NBA while still being able to win in college. He can win at LSU and will probably be able to play PG (though their returning guards make that interesting), but at State he knows the coach will prepare him, he can play wherever he wants, and he can be the guy while trying to lead his dad's alma mater back.
Also, Lyles is a top-10 pick. I would be shocked if he comes back.
I do think Dakari Johnson and Poythress will return, but I have seen mock drafts that have them leaving as well. If they do leave, Kentucky will be seriously hurting in the frontcourt unless they pick up a couple studs late. They'll have Marcus Lee and Labissiere along with Derek Willis, but that leaves very little depth.
They also have a 5-star SG coming in, but he's not on Newman's level, so I doubt that would factor in.
I agree with what you said. I keep seeing booker as a lottery pick. I assume he's coming out, but nothing is certain I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
He's kind of a tweener to me. He's right in that same area Poythress was in when he decided to return after his freshman year. He's projected just outside the lottery, which is plenty high enough to leave. But he may feel like he can show out and elevate his stock even more if he comes back and the Harrisons leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
The really interesting thing is what happens with the Harrisons. They're projected about mid-2nd round at best, but returning would really hinder what Calipari wants to do, which is let his elite freshmen come in and shine. So do they leave and risk not even being drafted? Or do they stay and risk having their minutes reduced even further and being lost even more in the shuffle?
It's pretty clear to me that he is at the McD All-star game telling every school what they want to hear when asked questions about them. Malik is enjoying his power right now. Just sit and wait it out boys. I still like our chances.
I can't imagine why cal would want to get the Harrisons to leave. I realize the freshmen might be more talented, but it can't be enough to overcome the harrisons' experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
It might hamper his recruitment spiel.
If I could have the harrisons 1 year or 2 true freshmen 1 year, give me the harrisons every time.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
If the Harrison's stay all four years they'll end up with the most wins all-time at Kentucky. They are underrated on that team imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Given the circumstances of all our losing the last few years and Howland just getting here last week, we are in as good of a position as you could ask for, IMO. Like other have said, buckle down because it will be a while and nobody really knows what Newman is going to do.
Mayer has changed his prediction about seven times, so that means next to nothing to me.
No doubt it's us or LSU..Malik is not going far from
home. Horatio wants him close to he and mom.
We are in fine shape so far
Cal has openly told players that if they consider themselves 4-year guys, don't come to Kentucky. He has built that system around being able to go get any recruit he wants, and to do that, he has to promise them playing time and 'shine' and then continue to deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Guys sticking around for 3-4 years hurts that system. He then has to either reduce minutes for guys as they get older, which hurts his ability to deliver on promises to them, or he has less ability to promise and then deliver on playing time for new recruits.
If both Harrison's stay, then he either has to start them or bench them. If he starts them, Isaiah Briscoe and Ulis/Booker don't get as much time, and they either stick around and make it harder to keep recruiting, or the next top guy sees that if he goes to UK, he may sit because they have elite talents ahead of them.
If he benches them, the next top guy sees that if he doesn't light the world on fire right away, he will eventually be thrown aside and passed over for the next big thing.
Calipari wants his guys to be one and done, or to stick around for 2 years at the most, especially the guys in the top 5-10. The occasional Cauley-Stein is ok, especially since he wasn't a top 10 or even top 20 guy.
He absolutely expected the Harrison's to be one-and-done. Sticking around for a second year was fine. Sticking around for 3 would start to really complicate things.
When does attrition start penalizing them? Don't you have to have a certain % graduate?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
No. If a player leaves for the NBA Draft, he needs only to be in good academic standing at the time. So if that happens, you are not penalized.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The players do have to complete the spring semester, though. But UK's APR scores for basketball have been perfect or close to it for the most part.
Red flag imo. Players getting ready for draft knowing they aren't coming back aren't hitting the booksQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Cal can't want them to leave too badly considering this is the best team EVER. I get what you're saying and agree with most of it but the Harrison twins are different. They aren't guaranteed lottery picks and Kentucky has never been better than right now so I'm guessing the twins will be the exception to the rule and will be welcomed to stay as long as they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Kentucky has this shit down to a science. Players expected to leave early are probably taking the easiest online classes offered at UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If the point is to be great every year, it makes no sense to run them off imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I wonder what incentives they provide for the players to complete the semester though. I don't see what's stopping them from just packing up the day they get back to campus from their last tournament game and doing whatever they please until the draft. Unless they just really love UK that much, but that can't be the case for at least some, if not most.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
They aren't finishing the spring semesters. Why would they? I wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by thf24
Yes, they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
First, they are not the best team ever. Second, the Harrison's are not the reason they're as good as they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
I'm telling you, the Harrison's continuing to come back hurts that system. It may make them better next year, but it makes it more difficult to continue with the system as it is, so it hurts UK's chances of continuing to get multiple top guys every year.
A logjam at any positions hurts what they're selling.
Still working at the post office
Whoever has their username and password is finishing their semesterQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Someone may be finishing their work for them, but you'll never convince me that all of them are hitting the books with the draft approachingQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
Whose better? UNLV lost to Duke and that's the only team that rivals Kentucky imo. I'm assuming UK wins it all though. The twins are a bigger part to UK's success than you're giving them credit for.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
They may go undefeated but I think there are quite a few teams that could beat them head to head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
2012 KY
2005 UNC
1996 KY
1992 DUKE
1991 UNLV
I agree w all of these. This year uk team isn't even in their top 3 teams they've had. The fact they haven't lost doesn't make them the best. The comparison teams didn't play the same bad comp. uk is good. Greatest team ever, not close in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew