interesting...might be Marshall at Bama afterall
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interesting...might be Marshall at Bama afterall
Wonder how much drive Barnes has left. That could be a strike out or homerun
If Barnes can get fired up for the next 3-4 years and put together a good staff- he'll be solid. I dont think he'll be a 10 yr guy at Tenn though.
Barnes is a decent hire, but nothing more. He won't have tons of success there.
I still say Marshall should stay at Wichita for another year or two. Get a raise, then take an elite job. He risks hurting his stock by going to Bama.
I've already felt Marshall would end up at Bama. All of the Bama eggs are pretty much in his basket so whatever his asking price is they will meet it. He would just have to really want to stay at WS for non-financial reasons to pass up the Bama job.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
The Barnes hire is questionable IMO. Although he went to NCAA in 16 of 17 years I thiught UT would make a run at Shaka or another young successful coach.
It's not about wanting to stay at Wichita, to me. It's about staying at a place where he knows he can win so that he's in position to take a top job when it's available.
Bama isn't an easy job. He may be good enough to take them where he wants to go, but it could also force him down a peg.
For a guy who has been intentional in staying at Wichita State rather than just taking the 'next' job, it would be weird to now just take the next job, regardless of what they're offering.
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Originally Posted by Coach34
It may be that Marshall is staying at Wichita State and getting a good raise.
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Originally Posted by smootness
According to the CBS sports analysts, if he left Wichita State, it would be to Texas and not Bama, so it looke like he may be staying.
He makes about 1.7 at Wichita- at what point do they price themselves out? I'm one that realizes money isnt everything- but I think Wichita tops out at 2.5- Bama will pay him 4.5 for 4-5 years- that 8-10 million dollars. Thats hard to pass up. Especially in a major conference with resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
None of the top jobs are coming open in the next 2-3 years- so it may be his time to bite.
$4.5 million over 4 years is $18 million, not $8 million. Not being a smartass, just pointing that out.
I just saw an article where Texas never offered Marshall and that Smart was who they wanted, so that could be the reason that Marshall is talking with Bama. Sounds like he was expecting an offer from TX and would have considered it very strongly and probably have taken it..
He was saying that it's 8-10 million more
Who knows, maybe one or both of the Koch brothers wll step up to the plate and help WSU match or better any Bammer offer, they certainly have the interest and means to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Koch_Arena
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/us...in-kansas.html
http://www.forbes.com/profile/charles-koch/
Marshall is staying put .He is top man there why would he want to compete with Saban. Koch Bros. can match Bama price if they want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
yes- 8-10 million more than he would make at WichitaQuote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
He wouldnt be competing with Saban- he would be competing with Cal, Donovan, and HowlandQuote:
Originally Posted by Goat from MSU
That's bullshit and you know it, Coach. There's a reason Marshall has said he doesn't want to go to a football first school. He wants to be The Guy. He could run off a John Wooden-like streak of domination at Bama, but he'd still never be The Guy there over their football HC - especially not over Saban.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Indiana will come open next year, and Syracuse will in 3. You also never know what will happen. If Indiana takes Alford, then UCLA is open.
While I think it's unlikely, the UNC faithful may get a bit restless if they don't pick it up soon. Roy Williams has 2 titles there, so it's hard to see them running him off, but you never know at a place like that.
Also, how many of these guys will coach past 70?
I might take a job like UConn if it came open rather than wait on a bigger job, but Bama? Nah.
Looks like he just told Bama to take a hike.The Alabama job is one big fat turd no ones wants it it will take them 3 million to get any coach now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Bama is probably going to end up with a guy like Prohm- who will do a good job
Will Michael white get a call?
Prohm is a Bama alum- would think he would get the nod
He may not take it either ,money is not everything .The Bama job is not a great one just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I haven't seen anything to say Marshall declined interest in Bama at all. They felt good about landing him as of an hour ago....
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2...orts_index.ssf
Haha. That article referred to Marshall as potentially the biggest hire of the offseason. Sure buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I'm not dissing shaka but why would Texas choose him over Marshall?
I agree on Prohm. He just won 29 games and didn't make the NCAAT. A coach's legacy is built on NCAAT appearances and success. I don't see him spending another year at Murray where he has to win his conference tournament to get into the Dance. It's time for him to take a job in a Power 5 conference for money and prestige sake.
I think Shaka is just a good a coach as Marshall. Also with his personality & style of play I think he'd be a better recruiter too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
If he goes to Texas, they are going to be a powerhouse. His brand of play & their facilities and resources will attract the best talent in the country. They'll start recruiting with Kentucky within a year or two. Great athletes want to play in that non-stop defensive havoc and that run and gun style offense. He could win championships there with great athletes... they don't all have to be great basketball players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think Prohm is a bit overrated, or at least an unknown. That program has been really good since the late 80s. Gottfried, Cronin, and Billy Kennedy all had a lot of success there and didn't exactly light the world on fire once they left.
They looked like a really, really good team his first year there, but didn't make it past the 2nd round and now haven't been back to the Tourney in the 3 years since.
It's just a risky hire.
I love the part about them embracing the fact that Saban speaks his mind. Uh yeah...because he wins a ton. If a coach isn't winning at an elite level and speaks his mind, the Bama fanbase will turn on him in a heartbeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Although, when has Saban ever really said anything that could anger his fanbase? He knows what he's doing on that front.
I do like Shaka and think he's a really good coach but I'd still take Marshall I think. Maybe it's Anthony Grant's time at Bama that is tainting Shaka for me.
It's going to be interesting to see how some of this pans out. I'm still curious why TN was so gung ho about Barnes. He's not terrible but I've never been that impressed with him.
If he couldn't put together top classes at Texas, I don't see how he's going to be expected to do that at Tennessee. He's replacing Kansas with Kentucky too, and the gap there is much, much wider. He's going to have a hard time competing in the SEC in the near future, but he could offer them some solid years and platform to build on moving forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Shaka's Havoc style doesn't really go in slumps but its not a style for 5* prima donnas either. If Shaka sticks to recruiting high motor athletes with high character he should do well at Texas but things change when he's suddenly pressured to land all the top talent in that state. Some of those 5* players don't fit well in his system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
Getting talent has never been his problem at Texas. He's brought in 14 McDonald AA there. Only Kansas, UK, UNC, & Duke have had more during that time. Problem is he's not a good coach. Now like you said if he can't get that level of talent to TN then he definitely has a problem bc he's not coaching anybody up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Any guard in Texas will love to play in that system. 5* down to no star. He gives his guys a lot of freedom on offense as long as they put out effort on defense. He'll do great recruiting in Texas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Barnes is the safe play for Tennessee. 16 of 17 years in the NCAA and no trouble with the NCAA ever that I know of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
There's no doubt he's had some great kids, but like you said, it's not UK, Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc... And that was at TEXAS. They have everything they want and a huge state to do it in. If he can't land top 5 classes every year there, he's going to struggle to land top 20 classes consistently at Tennessee IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Barnes will recruit fairly well, and he'll be a decent coach. He'll get Tennessee in the Tournament some, and he'll get them in the NIT the other years.
He's the kind of guy who will take your program and consistently have you just a little short of your ceiling. He won't really ever take your program to what it's truly capable of, and he also won't crash and have you subpar for several years in a row.
Tennessee will be a decent, beatable team under him pretty much every year.