Awesome recruiting can't even hide him- wow
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Awesome recruiting can't even hide him- wow
Didn't LSU miss 6 straight free throws?
Not gonna argue, but missing the ft's is on the players
Will be interesting to see how they do next year with a top 10 class.
Yep- and that's on the players. But that team has collapsed in the last 5 mins all year long.
He is in the NCAA and WE are sitting home with a better coach?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If they keep Mickey and Martin, they'll be outstanding. If they keep 1, they'll be pretty good. If they lose both, who knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE
Prob true, but would you take him over ray right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He might be the 13th worst, but he sure as hell ain't the worst. And recruiting is half (or more) of "coaching" in college basketball.
2 touches for Martin their best player after being up by 15. That's Stains level right there.
Any person affiliated with Ricky Ray making fun of another coach with a 61-37 record over the last three years is an idiot. I mean they would really just ooze idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Jones can't hold Rick Ray's jock as a floor coach. Rick Ray can't hold Johnny Jones' jock as a recruiter.
The he only idiot here would be you if you can't see the talent discrepancy Jones has had vs Ray. Not to mention Ray beat Jones this year head to head with Bloodman and Endo playing during the game. That tells anyone with an intelligence level past jello who the better coach is
Holy shit....Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You've gone mental. I mean like you need help mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Doesn't really matter, basketball is the sport where recruiting is the most important thing. Its probably at least 75% of the job. Ray is a pretty good floor coach at least defensively and maybe he is alright offensively if he had better talent (I don't really know) but it absolutely doesn't matter if you don't have the players. For all your years of calling Stans "The Recruiter" it was always ironic to me because THAT should be at the top of the list of what you look for in a college basketball coach. No, it doesn't mean a guy shouldn't be able to be at least a decent floor coach or be able to keep control of his program but it all starts with recruiting ability. If you don't have that its over before it starts and is where we are at right now, we just don't have the horses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
RightttttttQuote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
Jones played Ray this year with wayyyy more talent
A better bench
in front of 2500 people- so there really wasn't a significant home court advantage
and lost
I'm not going to comment on where Jones ranks among SEC coaches, but I have very little doubt that his career will be defined by underachievement and riddled with Stansbury-type head-scratching losses to teams with greatly inferior talent.
So are you saying that Ray is overachieving?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He did that day against LSU- how can you say he didn't? Sword is the only player we had on the floor that belonged with that LSU group and we won.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I mean damn- look at our roster. Look at our bench- and you tell me where we should have finished this season?
Look at Jones roster and his future draft picks- how did they finish? And they lost to us
So Hugh Freeze is a better coach than Nick Saban??? This kind of logic cant be used to describe what is going on with our team. You cant justify that we have a good coach by one game. We lost so many games we should have won this year, we lost several games by 20 or 30 points, and only out up 40 or 50 points in a majority of our games. Both coaches are horrible and have proved this. Saying one is better than the other is a fruitless waste of breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
So, using 34's logic, Rick Ray > Kevin Stallings. That's good to know. ***
Well, we finished near the bottom and got embarrassed by SC and Aub to finish out the season so yeah, about where I figured. The thing is, no we didn't finish dead last (17 yeah!), but those two teams are definitely trending up, while we're treading water with our shit coaching staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Best player... Dude is a lottery pick..Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Martin is gone. Lottery pick.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Mickey is probably gone
They may even lose Quarderman. I think he is a pro.. Probably 2 round..
stop going to extremesQuote:
Originally Posted by RossDawg82
A) Hugh Freeze had an extreme home advantage with a packed stadium- Gameday there. It was an insane day for them. Ray played LSU with a 1/4 full Hump
B) What games did we lose that we should have won? Take the name off the jersey and compare the players. What team should we have beaten with an injured Ready and Sword? Or the one where we played without Ware? You really can't be serious?
Bottom line- if they had equal talent on a neutral court- anybody picking Jones over Ray is an idiot. If you wanted to get into a recruiting contest? That's a different story
Lsu also lost to auburn twice .. And I think mizzu..
It wasn't just this game it was all year.. That LSU team underachieved big time .. It had everything a great team needs except lack of depth..
Point guard . Yes ( and he could play the 2 and 3 )
Shooting guard . Yes
And 2 studs inside.. Hell yes
When it come to JJ and RR ... If u give RR that LSU team they are still playing today.. And for that matter wouldn't have been a 9 seed...
And yes I am all for replacing RR here..
Part of being a good coach in college IS recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
You act like it's a completely different function all together. Nick Saban is the best coach in the country because he has excellent gameplans AND he is an incredible recruiter. The 2 are not mutually exclusive like you always make them out to be. So here we are...
Ray. Terrible Recruiter + Good Floor Coach (Says You) = Sitting at Bufallo Wild Wings in March
Jones. Great recruiter + Terrible Floor Coach (Says You) = NCAA Tournament Bid
You tell me which is more important
Bottom Line is that we do not have the talent. There is so much more that goes into coaching at the collegiate level than Wins and Losses. We are a horrible basketball team, and only the ignorant would say we have shown improvement. The only aspect we have improved since RR has gotten to Starkville is community service. We have no talent, we have no offense, and worst of all we have no support. We used to have to get to a game hours in advance for tickets, now you get a free pizza if you show up. Its sad and pathetic, but most of all this product on the court is insulting to the people who played,coached, and supported MSU basketball in the past. You can justify all you want that RR is not as bad as XYZ, but the BOTTOM LINE is we are one of the worst teams in the conference and there is no hope of improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Good thing we know that will never happen***Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Hell, I bet Bobby Knight would be most coaches in the country with equal talent. Unfortunately recruiting is more than 50% of the job when it comes to basketball.
You could give UK's roster to anyone that has coached YMCA 6 year old basketball and go against Ray in the hump, and the YMCA guy wins 10 times out of 10.
Just edit your post to say Jones is the worst floor coach in the SEC. Probably right there. Worst coach - no way. The worst coach in the SEC isn't in the NCAA tourney and doesn't have a top 5 recruiting class in the country coming to their campus.
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Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1wzW3zhT0Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
ETA: excluding Bruce Pearl. I don't know what his current recruiting looks like, but I'm confident it's much better than what Auburn is normally used to.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Yet if they continue to win 20ish games and contend for tourney spots, then he's not the worst. Not when we have a coach with a sub-.400 winning % overall, not conference, but overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Too bad coaching college basketball includes recruiting. If you can't recruit, then you aren't a good coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
nobody is saying recruiting isn't important- no doubt it is. Very importantQuote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
nobody is saying Ray is John Wooden. Nobody is saying Ray should keep his job another day. This thread wasn't even about Ray.
im simply saying Ray is better at the coaching aspect than Jones is. Will Ray be as successful as Jones? Highly unlikely. He will never recruit like Jones. But Jones is an awful floor coach- that can't even be disputed
Auburn is bringing in a borderline top 10 class this year, so they're about to leave us in the dust too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Meanwhile, half of ED thinks our borderline top 50 class will lead us back to the promise land and solve our talent problem.
Talking simply the coaching aspect- I'm sorry too many of you can't separate that part of it due to your hate for RayQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgs