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1) Do you make a move?
2) If so, when do you do it?
3) How much are you realistically willing to spend (considering payouts, investments in football and baseball, etc...) (Interested in Engie's number here)
4) Who do you target with your amount in Q3 in mind?
1) The key to this one for Scott is right now what is your confidence level that he's the right guy. You shouldn't be unsure b/c when you look around you have the right guy in football, baseball and women's basketball so you know what the right guy looks like. My eyes tell me he's not the right guy. While recruiting is improving and competitivenes in most games is improving I still don't see a great coach and I think his celing as a recruiter is to be slightly above average.
However, I see 2% of what Scott does and that other 98% determines if he gets another year or not.
4) May impact #1 as the question really is "if not Ray, who?" who do you think you can realistically get for our $2M or so and is that a big upgrade or not? I started to make a list when we were imploding in December and then put it down when we had our resurgence in January which made me think he was assured of another year.
1) Yes I do.
2) The day after we lose in SEC Tourney.
3) I try and find a mid major coach and pay 1.5 million maybe more depending how big of a name they are.
4) I go all in and try and hire Michael White. He turned down Tennessee so I'm not sure if we could get him. We have to hire somebody just to get some excitement and life back in our basketball program. Maybe Underwood at Stephen F. Austin? Joe Dooley at FGCU? Kenny Payne? It's Year 3 and there is no Program Changer coming in next year. I think best way to get Malik would be to hire Payne but I'm not sure if he is the best long term solution.
Does Ray give back a million since we payed him for 3 years, but he only thinks 2 count?
1. Yes
2. After sec tourney
3. 2 million
4. Larry eustachy
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Originally Posted by CottonDog
1) Yes
2) Day after we lose in SECT
3) $2.0MM+ Gotta pay the big bucks to hire a winner. We (apparently) tried the low-ball approach in hiring Stansbury's replacement and we see where that's gotten us. If we do that again, the program may never recover.
4) I have no idea. I don't follow BBall coaches enough to know who's the next "up and comer" or who's an established coach that we might be able to pull from his current role. I do know this, though, it needs to be a homerun hire.
You've lost your damn mind paying Eustachy 2 mill. He'd take it for a case of Budweiser and some Jack Daniels.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Even better haha...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
He's making right at a million now at a job with no stress. I think we'd have to up his salary pretty good to get em here. Maybe 1.5 then
Merge it with the women's team, take the best couple of players and give them the 'Juwanna Mann' makeover and let the others give the women practice scrimmages. And then move over UConn we are taking over as the dominant team in women's basketball. Hell it worked for Baylor with Brittany Griner.
So I will play along...
1.) Yes
2.) After SEC Tourney
3.) 2 million
4.) I honestly don't know. Have no where to go but up though.
Michael White isn't coming here no matter what... His choice.. Even if we did want him..Quote:
Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE
1) Yes. My ole miss friends like RR. That speaks volumes.
2) As soon as Scott is prepared. I'm betting he is prepared this go round. This spur of the moment hire stuff couldn't have been worse.
3) Whatever the coach is worth. RR isn't worth 500K much less 1mil. I'd be ok with 1-2 mil depending on their previous success/experience.
4) Engie has an awesome list. Hopefully he will post it
Seems as if as soon as Coach34 assured us that Ray wasn't going anywhere we all of a sudden dropped 7 or our last 8 and 5 straight. And our only win being against the worst team in the SEC, Missouri.
One thing that needs to be considered , if per chance we luck up and Scott fire RR and hires another coach almost everyone agrees is a good hire. Do we still bash a coach that is twice removed from the program, or do we tee off on Ray to keep the hits coming for the board?
I'd let him stay next year, and if we don't make the NIT, I'd let him go.
If we make the NIT ,I'd let him stay another year. He'd have to make the NIT that year, then the NCAA the year after. IF not any of those steps, I'd let him go.
Would we want a Coach that
1. has been to the final 4
2. has experience in the SEC
3. has been known to recruit really well
4. Is available?
well I would go get John Brady, He has been at MSU. He might could get Butch Pierre, voted the top assistant in the big 12. This just Me, But Brady could have taken this team to the NIT. Don't pay a a big amount for some young guy that might get eaten alive in the SEC. It hasn't worked real well For other Teams in the SEC. I would go with tried and true.
1. Yes
2. After SEC tournament
3. 2 million with significant stretch goal based bonuses
4. We should use a search firm and THIS time we involve Mullen and Cohen in the recruitment and selection process. It's obvious from the last go around that Scott isn't an outstanding salesperson or recruiter. The "you gotta work for it here" approach may work on a certain brand of 17 year-old kid, but not coaches.
Let's take our coaches that have had success at MSU out there and talk about how it is possible for the right person to win at the highest level at MSU despite some resource constraints. We have to find someone who understands the challenges, but can also see the opportunities at MSU. That's what make Mullen and Cohen special here.
Also, it's time for SS to admit a mistake, bury the hatchet with the old pro-Stansbury crowd, and get everybody rowing in the same direction. He may have painted a grand vision and moved Ray in next door to show his solidarity, but in reality he just screwed Ray's career by putting him in a situation he wasn't ready for. It was probably an interesting plan, but it isn't working out. Let's move on.
Benches are full of ex head coaches that are now assistants.
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Originally Posted by shannondawg
i'll agree-but how many have been to the final four and been named SEC coach of the year. Please list them.
1) after SECT
2) Kermit Davis Jr. HC & Robert Kirby Assoc Head Coach
3) KDJ - $1.2 Million Kirby -$600k
4) lets go win baby
Does Adidas play the game like Nike and WWW do? Maybe Adidas has a coach they like for the job.
KDJ would be a very good hire.. Would probably have to offer Kirby assoc head . Still not sure he would come back..Quote:
Originally Posted by HailState39110
KDJ is 15-14 in CUSA this year. No thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
And my favorite on that list is jeff Capel. Did well at OU and is now at Duke.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
Hubert Davis. UNC assistant.
Depends. If Ray bashes the program, he becomes the Crooms of MSU basketball and Stansbury becomes the Kang. If Ray says thanks for the opportunity and the check, sorry it didn't work out, then we talk about how it's a shame such an upstanding guy like Ray was left an untenable situation by Stansbury.**Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
But seriously, I hope that once we get to our next coach, people can appreciate Stansbury for all he did for the university without focusing on his shortcoming and without people claiming he was asked to step down too soon.
Your right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
2011-2012 ... 27-7
2012-2013... 28-4 ncaa tourney
2013-2014... 24-9.
He should have gotten the gig after Richard was let go...
I'm not favoring Ray but I don't think John Brady or KDJ is a massive upgrade. Not what i'm looking for if we can Ray
Two of those years were in the Sun Belt. Before those three he went...Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
16-14
17-12
19-12
16-12
15-17
17-15
18-14
19-14
16-16
Not exactly lighting the world on fire.
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I would take that...Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
I didn't say he was Coach K...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
But he would be an upgrade over the last 2 we have had here..
Every one of those seasons are better than the past 3 that we have had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Also I think about 8 or 9 of those sun belt teams came over to CUSA..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
It's the Sun Belt. For 2 mill a year lets get a top 25 HC. Nothing against KDJ I just think it's imperative that we knock this hire out of the park this time. We are in danger of going on a decade run in the graveyard of cbb. My standards are very high for 2 MM a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by SouthMsDawg
Or two. Middle Tennessee and FAU.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
I'd love him, but I don't think he would be willing to leave the ACC but if we paid up for the head coach you never know....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Well. I haven't loked it up .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
But along with those 2 I know western ky and FIU did.. I assumed there were probably a few more..
I have nothing against Hubert Davis and he may be the next great coach.. But are going too Pay what it would probably take to get him , on an assistant coach who has only been coaching 2 years on any level..?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanDority