2006- 5-11 in the SEC...Tied for 9th in the SEC
2007- 8-8 in the SEC- 3-way tie for 5th in the SEC
2008- 12-4 in the SEC...tied for 2nd in the SEC
2009- 9-7 in the SEC...tied for 5th in the SEC
2010- 9-7 in the SEC...3-way tie for 4th in the SEC
2011- 9-7 in the SEC...3-way tie for 4th in the SEC
2012- 8-8 in the SEC...tied for 6th best in the SEC
We were in no way, shape, or form "top of the SEC" Stands' last 7 seasons. We were a middle of the pack SEC basketball team with a shitload of drama
But now, we're a back of the pack SEC basketball team..so progress.
ETA: I was ready for Stansbury to go, but I don't see why we can't also say that Ray is pretty bad.
Ray is irrelevant in this thread- this is about where our program was before him
We were relevant during Stans tenure, we are irrelevant now. The rest of this debate is just noise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
That's an embarrassingly simple explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
We had a program that embarrassed the entire university under Stans, we don't now.
We were a joke under Stans, now we are less of a joke.
We were never again going to be a real factor nationally under Stans, now we at least have the hope of one day getting there again.
Those are also simply explanations that are just as valid as yours.
All I know is that if our players got into a fight in the stands now, there would be no one there to break it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I didn't give a shit about how the national media perceived us. Screw those guys. The same national media that called King Jackie a slime ball and a cheat? Yeah , they call you names when you are kicking their ass, when you are getting your ass kicked, the media thinks you are just a nice guy.
I want the media to be calling our coach a cheat and slime ball, that means we are probably kicking someone's ass.
Well, we also weren't doing that to anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Why is this hard for people to understand? We weren't some kind of big, bad team that also happened to get into some fights. We were a really talented, broken, dysfunctional mess that couldn't go better than 8-9 in the SEC. That also happened to fight ourselves on national TV and embarrass the school.
Why is this^ so hard to see? We weren't a national power during the stans years. I understand we weren't the bottom of the league either. But to listen to some of you we got rid of Adolph rupp. We underachieved we the talent we had in more than 10 of his 14 years. Kudos to to him for getting the talent, that's part of it. But boy did he ever f it up once we got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Four out of five of his last seasons he had a winning SEC record. Hell, he didn't have a losing SEC record since 2006. When 8-8, 9-7, 9-7, 9-7, 12-4 with 21, 19, 24, 23, 23 wins isn't considered kicking ass your last five years, good luck to Rick Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I would love for our basketball program to have been as ****ed up the last three years as Stans had it his last three years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
No one is saying Stans was Rupp, but we played relevant basketball games in Feb and March for the last five years he was here. We haven't played a meaningful basketball game in three years.
We won 17 his next to last year.
And now we see that it really is Stans supporters, not the people who supported him leaving, that have the lowered expectations.
If being a slightly-above-.500 SEC team is 'kicking a**' then sure, bring Stans back. Just realize we would pretty much be assuring we never did any better than that. Ever again. And again, the program was actually trending downward, so even that was probably going to be expecting too much.
The reason we wanted Stans gone at the end is because we want to ultimately do better than what he offered. If Ray isn't the guy to do it, fine, get rid of him and try somebody else. But trying and failing, which leads to trying again is far better than just accepting that you won't do better.
And. that. wasn't. going. to. happen. the. next. year. Even with Stans.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
That's my point. Bost was leaving, Moultrie was leaving. We can argue all we want, but Hood was also leaving. The only positive was that Sidney was also leaving.
And the guys on this current team? The guys who can't make shots or score? Those are the same guys who were going to make up that team. As freshmen.
We were going to be terrible in 2012-2013 with or without Stans. We weren't going to be even as good as we had been in Stans' last 3 years. Again, I have no idea why this is so hard for people to understand.
Coach couldn't make it a week without starting a new Stansbury thread. Gee, are you obsessed or just crazy? We just got our ass beat by 18 at home by a team who was lackadaisical and you are more worried about this crap. How about talking about how to teach inbounding the basketball, or making free throws, or simply running a set play in the half court offense.
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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
B-b-but 3rd winningest program in the SEC behind KY and Florida! Just don't mention the fact that 8 other SEC programs had a Sweet 16 or beyond appearance during that tenure. Shhhhhh you'll ruin the agenda!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Sounds great.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Problem is that we are learning what every other SEC school is learning, which is that it's really ****ing hard to be a consistently relevant program in the SEC. Stans made it look easy, which is why we were all frustrated . We took it for granted that our floor was 17-19 wins and 8 SEC wins. We took it for granted that any coach could do that. Well as so many schools are finding out, it's actually really hard to do that.
If the goal was to exceed what Stans had done, fine, then this experiment should be over. Even the most ardent Ray supporter would admit that next years ceiling is maybe a bubble team, and that we take a step back in 16/17.
I'm certainly not sold that 16-17 will definitely be a step back. If we can get James Banks and another impact player in the '16 class, then we'll have way more talent in '16 than we currently have or than we'll have next year. But if next year's team isn't good enough, then it likely won't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
If we're on the NCAA Tourney bubble next year and add Hicks, Simonds, Banks, and somebody else, I'm all for keeping Ray and giving him a shot.
And yes, it's hard to become a good program in the SEC.
And yes, we were consistently relevant under Stans, as long as relevant means decent.
But we had become a program whose floor was 8-8 in the SEC and whose ceiling was 9-7 in the SEC...and again, it was trending downward, so that likely wouldn't have even remained the same anymore. We weren't winning 8 SEC games in '12-'13 no matter what.
That's not good enough for me, and I know we can do better. That's all I need to know in order to make a change. That doesn't mean we're doing better with Ray. But I'd even rather be terrible for 4 years with Ray and then reboot and try again than to continue with what we had our last few years under Stans.
For a long time I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Rose colored glasses. Always shed MSU in positive light. Build the program up. Make a post on a slow day to get traffic up. Have a little fun with some banter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But I've realized that you sincerely have issues. I mean like legitimate psychological issues. I'm serious. You need professional help.
DAMN. Pot meet kettle. Yall are some full blown retards about this. Both sides, but to suggest that someone needs pro help over CBB. Absurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
There are several thousand people who would disagree with your relevancy assessment.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
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I'm sorry the truth bothers you.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
I just have to laugh at the University of Stands people like yourself that try to spin some narrative that Stands had us as a top SEC team. We clearly were not his last 7 seasons. No way- no how. That made up legend needs to die
Why post another of a hundred derogatory cases against an "irrelevant" coach (I mean recruiter) who did nothing positive for our program, and has been gone for over three years on the same night we played Kentucky at home? Why not post something about our current team on such a night unless you have serious issues?Quote:
Originally Posted by Noxdog
Why not start a thread about Rick Ray? There really is something wrong with it.
Maybe it would die if you would quit bringing it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
More people showed up because we won more games. Obviously. That's the way it works.
But one, we had a ton of games late in Stans' tenure when very few people showed up. I guarantee that was a big-time opponent we're playing in that picture, if it's even from late in Stans' tenure.
And two, no, we're not currently relevant. That doesn't in any way mean Stans' last few teams were acceptable.
We were never again going to assemble the kind of talent we had on the 2011-2012 team. Holy crap. And some people think we waited too long to make the move? We'd have even more people making this crazy argument. I guarantee that if we had fired Stans after the 2010-2011 season, there would be people saying we would have gone to the Final 4 with the talent we were going to have the following year with Stans sticking around.
We knew before the 2011-2012 season that it was Stans' big chance to prove to everyone we were still the program we had been a decade earlier. Everyone was pointing to that year as the year, when we would have an incredible abundance of talent. It was to be Stans' chance to save himself and get us back.
And what did we do? We won 8 SEC games, lost 9 including the Tournament, and lost as a 4 seed in the NIT. And now we have people pointing back as though that was just kind of an average year under Stans.
No, it was the year for Stans to show what the program still was. And we ended the year in embarrassing, horrid fashion. Even with that team.
I miss the dramaQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
and I miss "middle of the pack"Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
nobody misses that shit. People miss having more talented teams. But nobody misses the dramaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
I dunno? Maybe because yall both are crazier than batshit??? It's become a tit for tat deal. I'm not happy about current events but I was not happy at the shit show that we became under Rick either. Unless something changes he is coming back. Much ado about nothing. Keep your powder dry for next year because it's all on the line then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
All of this useless at this point.
I wish you ****ers would stop fighting over our last head coach and current one. They both suck. We will never make another NCAA tournament with either of them. That's what I want. To be in the NCAA tourney.
sorry for forgetting the ***.. I would trade anything for the suck I see going on now. and there's no 17ing excuse for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
While you were doing your research, I found this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Originally Posted by TheDogFather
That has zero to do with this thread
This is absolutely right! We were relevant and now nobody gives a damn. Not one person has asked for my 4 floor level tickets for 3 years, and I use to get tired of people asking for them. And this "fight in the stands crap" - a week later not one person outside of MS could even tell you the players names and the school. Quit bringing that up. A North Carolina fan asked me the other day "why did you get rid of your coach? Ya'll use to be so good". I said that a bunch of dumbass fans cared about a fight between 2 players - he laughed and said he never heard of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
All I know is that people use to care and people use to go to our games. Now, I didn't even bother to watch the game tonight. SMOOTNESS - pull out your checkbook because you now can buy my 4 tickets and pay the Bulldog dues for that honor. I am buying tickets to watch our women's team - we have a good coach that can coach offense, teach an inbounds play, and recruit. He has earned my support - and when he coaches, the games mean something.
Start writing your check. You will have plenty of legroom and space on both sides of you.
yep...the 7 yr avg was 5th in the SEC with stands.... way to go back to '06 for that 9th place finish to pad the numbers. I miss being competitive and not ELEVENTH.. take away that '06 year and we're 4.33...
Why start this thread?
You can't just let bygones be bygones can you?
Who said I liked what we currently have on the court? I am actually more likely to spend and watch this team play than I was to spend and watch Sidney cross the court less than 10 times per game while the rest of the team stood around getting beat by teams way worse than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdawg
we used to not get beat by SWAC teams from AL and unknowns from SC at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
NopeQuote:
Originally Posted by engie
Who said I liked what we currently have on the court?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
Also, how many times would you like me to respond with this question before you realize that I don't like what we currently have on the court.
Not really 5th because of the tie's with other schools and no tie-breakersQuote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
And went back to 06 because we constantly talk about the last half of his tenure
I understand both sides of this argument.
It was kind of embarrassing seeing the fight replayed and overanalyzed and it did seem like Rick under-achieved year after year. But I remember having to stand in the student line (07 - 09) for an hour or 2 to get in to SEC games and hoping there would be seats in the lower deck left.
Now they offer free pizza and still can't get anybody to go.
Pick your poison.
I personally kinda miss poison # 1.