If Osu throws Moore again, I wonder if we stick with frost at 3b and detz dh or go detz 3b and porter dh. I also wonder who will follow pollo. Any thoughts?
I like the pollo decision BTW. Ucla has made a living pitching up so far
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If Osu throws Moore again, I wonder if we stick with frost at 3b and detz dh or go detz 3b and porter dh. I also wonder who will follow pollo. Any thoughts?
I like the pollo decision BTW. Ucla has made a living pitching up so far
Supposedly they arent going to throw Moore
Rumor is they are either going with a lefty that is 0-1 with an 8.31 ERA that has barely thrown any this year...or a righty that is 4-1 with a 3.29 ERA... Here's the stat lines for both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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I am just really glad that they have to beat us twice, and we only have to win once. Those early wins are huge now.
Bwahaha I sure hope so. Look at that K/BB rate for the righty in Engies post. And the lefty has 4 innings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm calling bs. They may start 1 of those, but I think we see more Moore than eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Will James
I think Ross Mitchell always stands a good chance of pitching, even though they have seen him already. We will have to see about who is DH. Even though not everyone agrees, with Porter it is about more than just stats from a stat log. His vision/eye health is part of the decision making process.
I know you don't believe this, but stats don't make every coaching decision. Are you a robot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
I wonder if Girodo isn't the first one out of the pen since they haven't seen him yet. I kind of get the feeling it will go Pollo, Girodo, Holder (if it's a save situation).
Girodo threw an awful lot of pitches on Monday.
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Originally Posted by PMDawg
I may be wrong, but I don't see Cohen going to a second lefty after Pollo. I get a feeling we would see Ben Bracewell go through the order once and then bring back Girodo.
He went over 100 pitches on Monday. If Girodo pitches Friday, it would be a short stint. I think we probably sit Girodo. Cohen seems to like him in tandem with Fitts. Of course, this is tournament time, so nothing is out of the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
that's a good point. While it seems like forever since we last played, it's only 3 days rest. 100+ pitches = probably resting tomorrow. What about Gentry? He's been awfully quiet since his performance in the SECT? We still have Bracewell and Lindgren too. Or is Lindgren done for the season? Is he worth a chance out of the BP? If we can use pitchers only out of the following pool tomorrow: Pollo, Bracewell, Gentry, Lindgren, Fitts....then IF we have to play again on Saturday we would have all of our big arms: Graveman, R Mitchell, Girodo, & Holder. Of course, I'm far from an expert on this type of stuff, so I'll just sit back and listen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
I'd say Bracewell first out of the pen, followed by Ross if we need him. Girodo could come in for a tight situation to get an out, but I don't see him throwing to more than 2-3 batters.
I'd feel more comfortable with Will Cox out of pen than Gentry (mainly because Gentry is a freshman- his time will come). I'd be skeptical of bringing Lindgren out of pen just for the fact he hasn't done it all year. I think we can win the whole thing only using Bracewell, Ross, Girodo, and Holder out of pen- sandwiched between our 3 starters (Graveman, Fitts, Pollo).Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
I had been hoping we'd go Lindy, Ross, Bracewell for an IU rematch, but obviously we can't do that since OSU has seen Ross. Pollo, Bracewell, Holder is probably the plan.
They are in a must win situation. Their strength is in their starting pitching. If you can justify not going with Moore Id like to hear it. Information does matter. Are you a Luddite? Going with that lefty would be like going with Preston Brown.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
I assure you there is a reason they are going with whoever they pitch. I don't know enough about OSU to justify anything. However, I do know that their coach is very aware of their situation and that he is going to pitch the guy who he thinks gives them the best chance to win. Your stats tell you more than their coach knows though, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
And for the love of God don't bring up some stat from Game 3 in the '87 MLB World Series that you think somehow justifies your argument.
I agree w this. W one exception, girado can go more than 2-3 batters, if we lead and can close them out. Otherwise he's the safety net for Saturday.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
There may be a reason but it might not be a good one. There is a reason that Croom and Polk II were hired, did that make it right? "A reason" is irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
So look at their production aka stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
Again, so what.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
I wasn't aware that coaches make the right calls in all situations in every sport.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
"Coaches know more about the sport than me so I won't ever form an opinion" - Salty
Yes I can say with 100% certainity that if they start Jace Fry, who has faced 19 batters this season, that it is a bad call.
How can you be 100% sure that is a bad call? There is a reason he has barely pitched this year, he was recovering from injury. If he is back to 100% healthy, as it seems he could be, the kid is a hell of a pitcher. First team freshman All-American last year.
And if ya want stats on a healthy Fry here ya go
2012 as a Frshman- Went 5-3 with a 2.45 ERA in 13 games, all starts ... Struck out 53 in 88 1/3 innings and allowed 68 hits, with seven going for extra bases ... Threw three complete games and one shutout
I don't necessarily think he would be a bad starter for them. My question is how long can they expect him to last after having the whole year off. Would they follow him with Moore or their bullpen?Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg
My thinking would be that they try to save Moore for Saturday
Ok so let's put Woodruff out there, he's supposed to be pretty good*Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg
Those 2012 numbers are decent, but what has he done post-tommy john? Not shit.
And this isn't looking at it in a vacuum of if he can merely start, this is a win or go home with their other kid who is 14-1 with a 1.57 ERA in 17 starts, healthy, sitting right there.
If they start Fry it's 100% dumb and I will be 100% thrilled.
Not only are you bringing in examples college football, but also LT hires? Nice. Way to prove a point, jackass.Quote:
There may be a reason but it might not be a good one. There is a reason that Croom and Polk II were hired, did that make it right? "A reason" is irrelevant.
Their coach has made enough right decisions to get them to the CWS as a #3 national seed. I do form an opinion on a lot of things, but only when I know enough about the situation- unlike you who thinks that stats tell the whole story.Quote:
I wasn't aware that coaches make the right calls in all situations in every sport.
"Coaches know more about the sport than me so I won't ever form an opinion" - Salty
Just like you said with 100% certainty that Chad Girodo wouldn't do anything for us this year in baseball? Ya know, cause stats and production and whatnot. I could link the thread on SPS if you wanted to be embarassed.Quote:
Yes I can say with 100% certainity that if they start Jace Fry, who has faced 19 batters this season, that it is a bad call.
The fact of the matter is that if he is healthy, and only the coaching staff would know, then he is a damn good pitcher. I find it hard to believe that the HC of the #3 national seeded team, and a man who has won 2 National Titles would pitch a guy that would be just about guaranteed to send him home packing. I just tend to believe he knows more about his pitching staff than you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
I'm still waiting on an actual reason why Fry would be a good start in a win or go home over Moore. I doubt I will get one from you. Embarrassed? I ate my crow on Girodo. Unlike you I'm not afraid to have an opinion, as it will be right way more often than not.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
Oh my God can we ban this phrase?Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasDawg
Anytime I have an opinion on here you trolls come out from under your bridge with this "well he's a coach so he knows". Make your own damn points if you disagree with me don't fall back on that. Its a cop-out.
I just want to know from somebody why Fry is a better option than Moore? and PS saving him for Saturday doesn't count, not in a win or go home. We have the luxury of saving Kendall if we want to.
Fry might go 1 inning and give way to Moore. Like I said, you have no clue what they are going to do because you are not informed. Meaning you are forming an opinion based on a K/BB ratio? Give me a ****ing break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
I never said Fry was a better option. What I was getting at is that it is ****ing stupid to say you are 100% positive that Fry is a terrible choice. When healthy he has proven that he can sling it. Now I don't know if he's healthy, and you don't know if he's healthy. The coaching staff sure as hell knows though. It is just very hard to believe a two time National Champion would pitch somebody who is a hindrance to his team.
See, you can't even follow. The K/BB ratio was talking about Child, not Fry.Quote:
Originally Posted by SaltyDawg
Tell me why it would be smart to let Fry get one inning? All Im asking of you is to justify how Fry over Moore is a good idea.. You can't.
Sorry, it's sometimes hard to weed through the immense amount of bullshit in your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
My original argument was based on stats not telling you everything- go back and read. And then I went on to say that if Moore wasn't starting then there was a reason. What reason? Hell, I don't know- but there is a reason nonetheless and probably a good one considering it is a win or go home game.
Do your formulas and stats work for all sports? if so, I've been wondering why Les Miles started Jefferson over Lee in the national championship for about a year and a half now?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
hahahaha i know right?!?! Silly them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
I'm in agreement with you Will on the pitching issues. I will say that "he's a coach so he knows" is not always a cop-out. We saw that with Porter. Cohen knew of the eye issue because he was the coach. You did not know of it. I knew of it but was not going to spill it on a message board until Trey was ready to make it known. You called me a moron for it and harassed me a little in chat, but I'm a big boy and can take it. Aren't we all glad Porter didn't turn his shit in and quit, as some said he should? He would have missed out on a lifetime memory and we might have been put in the loser's bracket. Trust me that there is often times a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that you, me, or anyone else knows nothing about. I think you are a helluva poster and I enjoy your anaylsis. Just remember that you aren't the only one in this world, or on this board for that matter, that knows a little about baseball. Not everybody is an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Will James
I agree with Will that it's a bit of a cop out. Or, at least, it's answering a different question than Will is answering. Will is answering the question "Who would you pitch if you were the coach, knowing only what you know now". A person who says "I agree with whatever Cohen decides" isn't really answering that question, and it's a boring post that doesn't really add value to the discussion...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bo Darville
(But... I guess you could argue this post doesn't really add value either).
So who is starting for the Beavers today?
http://www.registerguard.com/rg/spor...casey.html.cspQuote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Still not sure. If Fry goes, he will be on a 50 pitch limit apparently.
Agreed. But someone who has a different opinion on who to pitch than Will (or a different opinion than you, me, whoever) isn't necessarily an idiot or a moron. If one guy says Graveman and the other says Pollo, there might be merit on both sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by LiterallyPolice