Said Laster will start with Lindgren coming afterwards.
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Said Laster will start with Lindgren coming afterwards.
He's usually pretty cagey about stuff, even if everytime already knows it. So this is interesting. Seems like a no bull crap kinda attitude which I love.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
Cohen is basically saying, "Here's what we're throwing at you, come and get some."
I know everyone loves Lindgren and rightfully so- but I love the way Laster is throwing the ball.
Bark and GrowlQuote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
As do I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Yes, he has been dealing lately. Aggressive and confident. Just hoping we can put some runs up early to allow him to be the normal aggressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Well that's basically the only 2 guys we haven't thrown so far besides Brown and the freshmen.
We will be home team tomorrow so it will be important for Laster to throw up a goose egg in the top of the first.
I'm feeling like if we get L&L any kind of real run support, it's in the bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by RougeDawg
I agree. I know they raked us tonight, but despite them being a pretty good batting team, we are a pretty good pitch and defense team, so I'm gonna chalk this up as an anomaly. If they do it again tomorrow, I'll stand corrected, but I really feel like our pitching can get it done tomorrow. Ross just wasn't on tonight. We've seen this before this year: he starts, gets rocked early, and never recovers. Thats why I've never been a fan of starting him. His greatest strength is the shock of facing a pitcher throwing +90's then following it up with a crafty lefty with an 83mph fast ball; also, with them already locked into a slow pitcher from their previous game, Ross was dead to rights from the jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulldogBear
Ross was hurt by the small strikezone, turf giving up multiple singles that would normally be double plays and not locating low. Hanging a curve on a 1-2 count in the first inning vs Gimli was just a bad pitch. Bad pitches happen. Score was 8-8 minus Ross. I look forward to Ross getting another chance next weekend to correct this.
I wish we would just start Lindgren. I know he's struggled in that role, but if he's a first rounder, he's got to sack up. It's conceivable that we have a pitcher who will be pitching in the majors later this year that won't see the field in our regional until it's too late for him to make a difference. That's just insane to me.
Here's the thing...if he doesn't feel mentally able to start a game, then why waste him and possibly have him not be as lights out as usual by starting him? If he wants to come in relief, then we use Laster for 2-3 innings just like we use Fitts then bring in Lindgren to close the door. What we saw from ULL at the end of the game gives me confidence in Laster. Tatum was positioning pitches just right last night and ULL wasn't just lollygagging around out there. ULL was trying to hit every ball as hard as they could. I think Laster comes in, goes through the lineup 1-1.5 times, Butch pulls him and puts in Lindgren and he throws 6-7 innings.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
We probably have Holder available for 1-2 innings too, although I'm not sure ULL is a good matchup for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
As soon as the Cohen figured out the Ump wasn't going to give us the low strike he should have pulled Ross. That is his bread and butterQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Laster 1 time thru the lineup and if tied or winning he stays until trouble. Then bring Lindgren and he goes til he runs out of gas. Then Holder.
Dislike starting Ross 2.0. We'll be down 4 aGAIN before we can blink and bring in Lingo. Throw someone with some got damn power. Where the hell is Hudson, Tatum, Brown, or Sexton?
Your baseball ignorance is showing...Ross and laster are two completely different styles. He may very well get rocked but it won't be because he throws the same stuff as Mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
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Yup, this. You don't start Lindgren because he's sharper out of the pen. So you bring him out of the pen and don't tell him when he's coming out. He goes full-bore for as long as he's effective. I'm not worried about starting Laster. You have Lindgren ready to warm up even in the first inning if necessary; even if Laster gives up a couple, we're fine. We can score against them.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
Yes. And Tatum pitched last night, Brown is done, and Hudson/Sexton just aren't consistent enough to throw in this situation. That suggestion is actually insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
It's like the people who thought we could just throw Woodruff out there against JSU and be fine. If you can't locate your pitches, it doesn't matter if you throw 95 or 75.
ha ha ha ha ha haQuote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
You just get worse and worse. I told you to stop posting about baseball.....it's for your own good.
So Laster ISN'T a soft tossing lefty? Coulda fooled me. Don't give a single damn about "styles." It will be the 3rd game in a row ULL has seen a pitcher who doesn't throw hard. I'll grant you that Ross wasn't getting the low strike last night, and that certainly hurt him, but that wasn't the only reason ULL was squaring up everything he threw. They had adjusted to soft toss pitching.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoeless joe
Does he not throw upper-80s? If so, no, he's not a soft-tosser, not in college baseball. He isn't a flame-thrower, obviously, but that velocity is just fine; it definitely isn't on the same level as Mitchell or the JSU pitchers. You're trying to fit him into the same box just because none of them throw 90+; they're still different pitchers with different velocities.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
If he pitches like he has been recently, he'll be able to last long enough that we can bring in Lindgren and pretty much let him finish it. And if he struggles early on, we'll bring in Lindgren very quickly. What is the problem?
Laster can touch 90 on occasion. He's a "junk throwing lefty" -- not a "soft tossing lefty". They hit Woodruff harder than Mitchell. Bottom line is, with the stuff Mitchell had last night and the strike zone being called, he wasn't beating anyone...Quote:
Originally Posted by War Machine Dawg
Laster is alot more comparable to Tatum IMO...who I thought looked pretty good against them last night...
Yes, and Lindgren wouldn't likely throw a complete game even if he started. Whether he throws the last 6 or 7 innings or the first 6 or 7 we would still need some other pitcher (Laster or whoever) to hold ULL down for 2 or 3 innings minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Completely agree with that comparison. Seeing how Tatum has thrown the past few outings makes me wonder why hasn't seen more chances this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Ah, then my bad. If he can hit 90, he's definitely not a soft tosser. For some reason I was thinking he topped out around 85.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I agree with this post. You cannot make Ross throw it down the middle against good hitters. He had the ball all around the edges and could not get a call.Quote:
Originally Posted by RossDawg82
This isn't rocket science. Laster goes as long as he's being effective. First signs of danger we're bringing in Lingo, even if that's in the 1st. We are then riding him as long as we can and then we're going to Holder and doing the same. Ideally that will be enough. I don't think we'll be throwing anyone else unless we are up or down 6+ runs
I'll add that Bracewell not being able to do the job (and our bats) against JSU hurt us last night. If we had holder in the pen I think we would have seen lingo as early as the 3rd inning last night.
Yep. And I honestly don't think we'll see anyone else, period, even if we're up 6 runs. If we're down 6, we still might not see anyone else unless it's clear they're just destroying what Lindgren is throwing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
They're our best pitchers, so you put them out there and hope they're on.
Holder may have started tonight if we hadn't wasted him vs JSUQuote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
because it could very well be 8-3 again by the time Lindgren is warmed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
Were any of you there when Lindgren "started" the the completion of the first game of the A&M series? I know some will say does not count, but he looked like crap. I don't want to see that again tonight!
It takes time to recognize you need to warm him up, get him to the pen, get him warmed up, then trot him out there. You can't start the game with him warming in the pen either, because then you risk him being there too long and tiring out. If Lindgren has a mental block with starting, I wonder if he has a mental block about coming in with the regional on the line at any point in the game? If he's a headcase, he's going to crack either way. If he's past all that, then it makes more sense to start him. Just imagine how much better we would feel about the postseason if he started the game and mowed down UL for 7 innings. That would change my view on a SR in Oxford real fast. It's put up or shut up time. If you have a 1st rounder, I say you put your season on his back and see if he's actually a 1st rounder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irondawg
He is a high draft pick BECAUSE he is a freakin reliever. Nevermind, this is a pointless argument. He is not going to start no matter what any of us say. The decision has been made and I like it!Quote:
Originally Posted by PMDawg
Did anyone listen to Butch last night on radio show? They saw how effective Tatum was and he told Lindgren and Laster to look at what he was doing. I wouldn't be surprised Tatum comes back for a little bit. Laster, Lindgren, Holder. If ULL hits them and wins, they deserve it.