I know Stands has him "locked down"- but what is his back-up plan? Carolina? Dook? Kansas?
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I know Stands has him "locked down"- but what is his back-up plan? Carolina? Dook? Kansas?
I know that the Spirit board has been inquiring about him lately. They like players with baggage.
out in that area.
No way he'd start over Oliver Black!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
He has rare athleticism that very few in the country have, his production has not been great but he has a limitless ceiling. I don't know why he isn't playing well, but I sure wish State would take him. Much rather have a former five star than somebody like Troutman that's best offer is New Hampshire.
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Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE
Not really directed at you bc I've heard several say it but when does this limitless ceiling show itself. Since he's left Kemper Co he hasn't really showed anything at either stop to say he has this vast potential & limitless ceiling. He reminds me of Michael Gholar. A freaky athlete who's just not that good of a bball player. Now if we had a team where he could come in & be an energy guy on a good team I'd be all for him. Unfortunately people would expect that 5* McDonald's AA & when he avg 8-10ppg & 4-6rpg our fans would be calling him a bust. We need shooters, scorers, whatever your term & Pollard just isn't that.
Im not necessarily an advocate for us getting Pollard but what makes you think compared to the rest of our team he couldn't be a scorer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
This, I agree with.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE
Mainly bc he's proven he's not a consistent or proven scorer at Bama or EMCC. He avg 4ppg at Bama & 12ppg at EMCC good for 3rd on the team. He just doesn't have an offensive skill set. He doesn't have good range. He's not a guy that can beat you off the dribble & get to the rack. He's not good with his back to the basket. Majority of his points come from transition & put backs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Five-tool Poster
It would help our rebounding ,just think if we had gotten him out of high school ,maybe Ray would not be on the hot seat today. Who knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by RICKRAYMADE
1) Ray isn't on the hot seat today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat from MSU
2) Daniels is a MUCH better rebounder than Pollard -- just as good of scorer -- and a better defender. It's hard to argue "ceilings" -- but when and where do these ceilings occur?
Pollard in all his greatness averaged 12 and 6 this year in juco with just under a block/game...and didnt make a 3-ball all season
http://www.emccathletics.com/sports/...ge?view=lineup
It may not be hot but it is warm . Ray needs to win at least 18 games next year or sign Newman. By the way I hope Ray gets it done , if not I hire Bob Marlin at least he going to the Big Dance this year ,he should have been hired 2 years ago but that is water under the bridge. Have you seen Daniels play before ,I wonder if anyone on this board seen him in person.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
he can't be any worse than the junk heap we presently have. if no room on the roster, maybe we can hire him to be the head coach?
check this awesomeness:
Pos Nat'l
Rank Nat'l
Rating Name
School, Hometown Video HT/ WT/ PPG Commit Date Signed LOI? Commit School
PG 24 Tookie Brown
(Morgan County HS)
Madison, GA 5-10/165 01/26/2014
Mississippi State
SG NR Dante Scott
(Campbell HS)
Smyrna, GA 6-4/230 06/12/2013
Mississippi State
PF NR Joseph Strugg
(Carver Senior HS)
Montgomery, AL 6-8/200 06/11/2013
Mississippi State
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Originally Posted by Sandman14
Tookie is really, really good. Wait until this summer when more offers come in. He and Scott are in the Top 100 on Future 150.
Oliver Back had an offer from Oklahoma (currently a 5 seed) and Wichita State (#1 ranked team in the country). But what do they know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
I think he's got a pretty good shot at both of these as of today...Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat from MSU
Next year tells the story on Ray in every possible way...
That we can both agree on .Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I already know the story on Ray. This ain't baseball.
How exactly do you think Ray will get the best basketball prospect in the nation, given that up until now, he's never been capable of signing even a 4-star prospect?
What does 18 games mean? I seem to recall being lectured about how 20 games doesn't mean squat anymore. You get 13 for showing up and having a scholarship program in the SEC. What so that means he wins 4 or 5 more games against a bunch of horrible SEC teams...so that's gonna be real progress after 3 years? For basketball? Or do we have a special category of progress for Rick "the assistant" Ray?
We won 17 or more games in 12 of 14 seasons before Ray, so I sure hope the Rick "the assistant" Ray can get 18 against a putrid SEC West in year 3.
How about giving him a chance? He's had 2 classes where he actually had time to recruit. 2015 class is pretty solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
Now this thread will turn fun . You will have engie and Coach34 on your ass now. Fun times ahead stay tune.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
basketball championship games at MSU. Skillet is a fierce competitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat from MSU
Just like you already know the concrete of Dudy Noble is sacred and untouchable...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
You don't know anything about Ray yet. Nobody does that is being "fair" to him. Next year, we will begin to.
What I do know is that Ray is seriously in the game with Newman now(even the Ray haters/Stans lovers with a clue will tell you this). He locks up Malik, you don't think that would have a lingering "Nkemdiche effect" in recruiting for us? And you don't think that'd be enough with 4 good seniors and a couple of good JRs with tons of experience and a few more pieces to really make a run in 16? He's literally that ONE player away from making a bunch of you into fools.
You'd think with the new news on Newman -- people would wise up and let it play out. But I guess not..
Grew up with him and his brother in Tupelo. He would have been a good hire here ,not fancy but would gotten the job done here..Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach66
1) Actually he has- we wouldnt have Elijah Staley without Ray. He is a 4-star basketball player and will be suiting up after the bowl game (damn it feels good to be able to type "after the bowl game" because we know we are going to one)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
2) There is no more SEC West hoss. Try to keep up
3) As mentioned in #2- there is no more SEC West to feast on, and we play a complete schedule. We also play 2 more conference games than we did under Stands- instead of getting 2 more easy wins. Having to play more East teams would have hurt the ol Stands legacy for sure. And I'll remind you that Stands was the only SEC coach to vote for doing away with the divisions- he knew where his bread was buttered.
this is hilarious. I love it that you guys have to try and defend an absolute train wreck. it would be one thing if we had won about 17 games this year. but we were the worst in the SEC. great fun to watch you guys scramble around to come up with shitty, erroneous, illogical arguments about how it is reasonable that we have finished dead last in the SEC this year.
life ain't "fair," engie. get over it. this is about being a winner vs. being a loser.
and what are these new arguments about something that hasn't happened? did I miss where newman committed to us? IF Ray signs the top 5 players in the country, we'll be damn good! love it...except one little problem...Rick "the assistant" Ray can't recruit! Can't coach, and can't recruit. Tough combo. we had a guy who could recruit but couldn't coach and we ran him off for a guy who can do neither.
wouldn't have elijah staley...that is the crummiest argument I've ever heard. keep going. this is fun.
Are you just an embecile? Ray had a relationship with Staley and his family and brought Mullen in the fold. And even then, Staley only signed with us because he was promised that he could play basketball for Ray.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
1st smart thing you have said today- congratsQuote:
Originally Posted by Sandman14
Yancy saying the Bears are recruiting Pollard.
A very high profile coach in Jackson said Black isn't good enough but what does he know?Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
One of the best college coaches in the country thinks he's good enough. I will go with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
The radio interview with Horatio Webster in February was interesting, too - it was the first time he has stated that if it were up to him, Malik would end up at State.
I trust that he'll let his kid make up his own mind and that by no means are we a 'favorite', but if your dad played at a school, you grew up close to that school and go back there a decent amount, and you know that your dad would like for you to play there, that's definitely going to pull you there in some way.
Add to that the fact that Ray continues to work his butt off recruiting the kid, and you have to think we're in the game. No way would Ray continue to spend that much time if he got the sense it was all pointless. He knows that if he gets Newman, it's like cutting 3 years off the rebuild.
They said the same thing about a former SEC freshman of the year after his JR year of highschool...Quote:
Originally Posted by Raytoraid83
Let's keep in mind that Black played his SR season at IMG Academy in Florida -- not in MS -- where he played great competition, received great instruction, and took some tremendous steps forward according to the coach down there.
But keep "very high profile coach in Jackson" trusting a coach in Jackson over a coach at an undefeated one-seed.
They both know Florida is the #1 ranked team in the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by C222
I always assumed he was the one pushing for a big name. Surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I think he'd definitely still spend the time if it was hopeless. Even if you know you're not going to get him, what head coach is going to open himself up to criticism by not recruiting a top 5 national recruit that is a legacy for your school and lives two hours away.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Black does not have signable offers from OK nor WS. He is not that good. Period
But rivals says he has offers from Witchita and Oklahoma?!?!?***Quote:
Originally Posted by Madisonmd
I want to make sure I understand this... are you suggesting that Rick Ray is one player away from being successful?Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
the part I thought was funny was how it would cut 3 years off the rebuild. apparently our college basketball job requires a 10-year plan. any thing less would be "unfair."Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
where is the MSU bulldog pride around here? are you guys settling? first we weren't ok with having an ncaa tournament-type team every year. that was settling. but now we are just being patient. look, sometimes you just have to be. sometimes it takes 7 years at being the worst team in the SEC before the sunshine breaks through the dark clouds.
and frankly, with the mess Stands left (12 out of 14 seasons with 17 or more wins....probably 9 out of 12 were 20+ wins), Rick "the assitant" Ray is probably entitled to 15 years on the rebuild...just to be "fair"