Are we doing anything to address our depth issues? How is recruiting going? I saw where we got a commit from another guard out of GA but man we are sooooo thin the post. That and we need a legitimate shooter. We are playing ok today but we will run out of gas a few minutes into the second half. You just can't keep that level of intensity up for a whole game without some depth and we have Zero. I don't understand how two years in a row we are dealing with a team that doesn't have a full roster.
I'm giving ray a pass this year but next year I'm not. I'm not expecting to make the tournament but we just look stupid sometimes
We have 2 redshirting and 3 signed coming in. And we only lose 1 player
Next year will be better
We are basically getting blown out in every second half we play and are completely incompetent on the road. I still have optimism that ray is the guy but I need to see us start getting some decent players here. Anytime a guy like tyson Cunningham is seeing significant minutes, you know you have problems. I think sword, ware and ready are decent sec basketball players. Need a lot to go with them though
...We'll win the recruiting battle next year.....
Can you tell me about the three coming in? And why are we redshirting kids right now when we really could use a few more bodies
Has Ray signed a guard over 6'?.
It will be over in about a month!
Still no shooters next year or someone who can knock down a 3 . Dunlap is supposed to be able to knock down some buckets but I think it will take a little while before he adjust to the college game. We need some more Barry Stewart, Ravern Johnson, Timmy Bowers, Shane Power types. Guys who can bust a zone after a couple of trips down the court
I post that and they show a stat on TV that our first 28 points were scored from the post or foul line
We are bringing in 5 new bodies next year and only losing a soft big body in Borchert. If Ray can't take that team to the NIT next year, not sure about his ability to bring in the right guys. Keep in mind, we won't be young and inexperienced next year.
Don't expect much in the scoring department from the 3 signees or the 2 guys redshirting. Dunlap is the only guard and he's extremely limited. Black is tall and that's it (averaged around 8 pts/game in high school). Houston (best of the signees) is decent. About the 4th or 5th best prospect in Alabama but not a shooter. Picks up most of his points around the basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC3
The other 2 are Ndoye, a 6'9" C who'll basically be another body down low but definitely not a scorer and Daniels, a JUCO forward that was his teams 3rd leading scorer last year at 11 pts/game.
OuchQuote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
I LOLed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgbite
Stick to Golf, Please.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
We will have to spend some money to keep Ray.
Watching this basketball team is very similar to watching us line up for a field goal!
^Dawgbite is right. ^ Can't hit a jump shot or a field goal.
Steele and Wendell would have been pretty valuable assets to this team the more you watch us play.
Based on what? I don't deal in hypotheticals, I go off actualities. Its funny, how people get their feathers ruffled easily when you don't conform. And for the record, I was a SG for a state-runner up team, my college roommate played on a MSU final four team, and I can't stand Stansbury (for the people who automatically assume if you're not a Ray fan then you must be a Stans fan). So I think I know the sport fairly well thank you.Quote:
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I never said Ray wasn't a good coach; I just don't think he can recruit.
You roommates with Whit Hughes or Bart Hyche?
Not unless someone on our team magically becomes a scoring threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm not panicking yet about the mediocre recruiting so far. It's got to be pretty hard to sell yourself as practically a no-name less than two years into your first head coaching gig. I think that will start to change if Ray can just put together a few solid seasons in the next few years, which I think he will. While our incoming class isn't stellar, it should put our depth issues to rest, and a system like Ray's doesn't require top talent to compete, as evidenced by Shaka Smart and VCU among others.
That was always my hesitation about canning Stans. With all his program's issues, he wasn't known as "The Recruiter" for nothing. College basketball coaching is probably 75% about recruiting. If you don't have the players you've got no chance and HS basketball players that can make an impact in college are much more easily identified than HS football players.Quote:
Originally Posted by msugolf
Will we be better next year ? A little. I think we win 2 more before the SECT and finish 5-13 in the league this year. Next year we will be more like 7-11 or 8-10 in conference . Houston will add a little scoring and Ndoye will add some depth in the post. No NIT next year IMO
A bear friend of mine compared Ray to Rod Barnes, and the more I watch the more I see what he is talking about. I hope Ray can prove me wrong.
Ray just needs to work the crootin machine,
Can't possibly get any worse.
We're a football/baseball school.
Yes we will. We are a team of Sophomores and Freshmen. Having depth next year will make a world of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailState39110
Ware will be better
Sword will be better
Ready and Davis are playing their first year of college basketball- they will be improved
Bloodman has turned into a solid back-up PG
People get impatient but you have to look at where you are. Maturity and experience make a world of difference
Ray refuses to play Moore and Bear and those two are no worse than 3 that play all the time. Then we lose every game because we are spent in the second half. Therefore Ray cares MORE about being the stubborn coach that plays only his favorites than he does about actually WINNING the game. Don't call it bullshit. It's the TRUTH. We have 11 basketball players. NOT EIGHT. Just finding a way to rest the players for a couple extra minutes BEFORE we get spent would make a huge difference. Yet Ray refuses to do that.
How about: It can't get any worse?
How can't it get any worse when we aren't even the worst team in our conference? Yeah, we all know, we aren't in a great spot in basketball right now and it's hard to see right now how exactly we're going to get back to where we're used to being. But this histrionic, doomsday attitude some of you have and insist on maintaining isn't helping at all, and makes you look pretty ridiculous to those of us looking at the situation objectively and rationally.
I was at the game, and it was hard to watch - we have no shooters or elite players. The atmosphere is gone - most people that I saw were looking at their phones and not at the game. I was bored, as I was the last 2 games (we even won) that I attended. How can you enjoy us scoring 25 points a half. OM scored 91 today. Basketball is no longer relevant at State - nobody keeps up with it, nobody goes to games, and the ones at the game are bored. One good thing - it is very easy to drive up 15 minutes to tip-off and no traffic jams when you leave (left right before the end and was in a restaurant in 5 minutes).Quote:
Originally Posted by HailState39110
we need some scorers. if we had 2-3 guys that could fill it up we'd be much, much better.
Depth will primarily help us not just totally fade out in the second half but just because a lot of these guys get a year older its not going to make them shoot the ball better. Most guys that are true scorers in college basketball are scoring consistently by their sophomore season. I don't understand why we aren't trying to add a top notch perimeter JUCO shooter to the mix we have now? We need a JUCO guard to come in that is knocking down 20 a night primarily from the outside on his JUCO team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Maroonmania - google Josh Gray. He had committed to State but didn't come after Stans left. He is averaging 37 points and 6 assists a game - and just signed with LSU. He would have been on our team with Sword, Ware, and Fred plus others. But, we all wanted a team that played hard and hustled over talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Very good chance if Stans had been retained that Gray and Hood would both be scoring for us but we would still have a soap opera or a transfer might still have happened. Point is that we seldom lacked talent with Stans but I'm concerned whether Ray will ever recruit enough sufficient talent to compete at an NCAA tournament level. Guess we will all find out over the next couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcdawg
Bruce Pearl's show cause ends Aug 23rd
and Jalen and Wendell.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
it's a weird feeling but to me, it's a question of 1) suck now in hopes of reaching something special, or 2) win 19-23 and have a ceiling of being an NCAA participant without a real shot to make a run.
Stans wasn't the answer. I'd rather burn through 10 coaches to finally get to the right one then to stay with the wrong one any longer. Stansbury is incapable of even making a Sweet 16. I want to see another Final Four before we all die. That's not asking for too much. I will also say I expect my AD to make better hires than the coaches he fires. Especially when he goes on his own and hires who only he wanted. This isn't Scott Stricklin University.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack