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Probably waiting to see if he qualifies. Will bama wait for him?
No- waiting to see how Bama's class shakes out tomorrow....ie grey vs no grey we thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
What purpose does that serve?
He really wants to go to Bama- doesnt want to greyshirt...got to see how it shakes out
If Bama fills up I hope we get a shot at him. I hope he would want to be Plan A with us vs. Plan C with them. Wish him well either way.
He and apparently about 90% of HS football players. I wouldn't mind if the SEC dropped the max signing limit to 22 or 23. It would only serve to help us bring in better talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
So Tennessee can just sign 30 then? Anyone got an answer yet on why Butch Jones is being allowed to sign 34 this year? Just being nice to the new guy huh. Tennessee is blatantly breaking the rule put in place after Houston Nutt went full retard and nothing is being done/said about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
14 of their signees are already enrolled- so some of them count back to last year's classQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
Also, some could be greyshirts enrolling at Christmas.
Looking back- Tenn only signed 23 last year- and who knows how many of those actually made it to campus. So some of those guys count back for sure
There was always a way to count players back but I was under the understanding that it was a hard 28. No matter what 28 was/is the max number allowed. This was put in place after Ole Miss and someone else (Georgia maybe) signed around 38 players one year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Doesn't this defeat the purpose of the rule? So you are rewarded for going after a high amount of risky guys each year. Sign 25 high star risk guys one year, only bring in 16 4 star caliber guys. Next year sign 34 and hit on 75%. All high star guys. To me this is rewarding risk recruiting, where as a MSU signs guys that will qualify, if it means they have to sign lesser rated guys. Thus not getting to offer extra spots to more guys the subsequent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm not an NCAA rules guru- just an Online Legend and Pied Piper
Having 34 committed and having 34 sign are two different things. I dont know how they will work it all out
Twitter/Alabama Rivals is now saying he will not sign with Alabama / declines grayshirt offer.
https://twitter.com/bamafootball_/st...18511175159809
Hope that doesnt mean a Big 12 team has stepped in. He had a couple interested earlier in his recrootin
GO SHOW THIS GUY SOME LOVE ON TWITTER ASAP!!!
Here are the rules, as they have been implemented by the SEC to this point:
- The SEC limit is 25, not 28. That means that each calendar year you can only sign 25 players.
- The 25 is regarding signings; it doesn't matter if the player makes it to campus or not; if he signs an LOI with you, he counts toward the 25.
- This is calendar year, so yes, you can count some back, if they are JUCOs who sign and enroll early. JUCOs have an early signing period in November, so they can sign an LOI and enroll early and count back if you have spots. This does not pertain to any HS signees; they can only sign in February, so they count toward the next calendar year regardless of when they enrolled. So Jocquell Johnson can count back for us, Nick Fitzgerald can not.
So I don't know how many Tennessee had count toward last year's class. What I do know is that they have 3 JUCOs who have signed a LOI and one post-grad guy who apparently enrolled; I don't know whether he signed a LOI or not. But regardless, the most they can count back toward last year from this class is 4. So they will not be able to sign 34, period.
ETA: This is as I have understood it. It has been explicitly stated places in the past that early enrollees from HS can not count back. I do not know if that is true or not, but it has definitely been stated that way. If HS EEs can count back, then they may be able to count more than 4 back. But that all depends on how many from their last class counted back.
I'm sorry but if we can't reel in this guy at this stage of the game in this situation then it doesn't speak well at all for our coaches' ability to recruit. Bama is basically handing him over on a silver platter at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
I have to agree with this..Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
They have every intention to sign 34. Just watch. They are blatantly breaking the rule. How are they going to avoid being over the max 4 or 29? They have 5 too many already. Butch Jones and Tennessee are going to break the rule. I don't see how they will avoid breaking it at this point. Guess we find out tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I fear the kid just has national name school on his mind and is searching that out. Got nothing to do with our recruiting him. There are some kids that only want to hear the Bamas, FSu, Oklahomas, Texas, USC to come calling. If one of them does they will take it even if MSU is a better situation for him which we are if He isn't signing with Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
Doubt he signs with us. He's delaying his announcement, and he's already visited us. Either he wants another option or he has someone else in mind.
It's a rotating average. You can't just look at last year in most cases, because that class generally counted some back as well. At some point in the future, all this gets killed -- and it becomes a year-to-year basis only(I forget the exact day/year it enters effect) -- but it's not true yet. So, you've effectively got to "count back" until you have a class that actually has 25+ players in it as the "starting point".
there was some loophole butch jones was talking about earlier in the recruiting cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
http://knoxblogs.com/evanseleven/201...rimming-class/
here's some info on it.
and the sec's response.
http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/college-r...ing-loopholes/
He's not breaking any rules. He's simply exploiting the exact wording of the rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
This guy was supposed to be very high on us even before he committed to Bama. If he is only interested in some "national school" not sure why he is wasting our time.Quote:
Originally Posted by I seen it dawg
He's delaying his announcement simply to be 100% sure someone doesn't fall through -- thus getting him a full, immediate offer from Bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
I don't see the problem with it?
A lot of kids SAY they are going to delay but very few do. Will be interesting to see what happens with him tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
He was interested because we were the best opportunity he had. When Bama offered he dove on it. He still has to go thru the process because he isnt qualified yet and because of it Bama wants to greyshirt him. Its a business and he has to treat it that way and keep us around because he made need us. I hope he does and i will welcome him ecstatically if a "national name" doesnt happen. As I said before this is the best spot for him to do what he wants to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I think it's clear he wants to go to Bama. If he's willing to grey shirt but his parents are pushing him to take a scholarship, I can understand holding a spot for him. But if he's not willing to commit that he is coming to MSU unless he gets a Bama offer, it's probably time for us to move on. Even if we ended up with him, I just have my doubts that someone that adamant about going somewhere else will ever fully commit to the program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
ok- I'll spell it out:Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
He wants to go to Bama. Apparently Bama made it clear today they arent signing him. He is a kid that has always seen himself playing for a bright lights school. He is getting nibbles from another and they have him on standby- that is why he is delaying. We are his back-up plan it looks like.
Question...do we want a kid who clearly doesn't want to come here? Honest question...Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Shouldn't we be doing the same then? Why let another SEC school get a competitive edge over us before it gets sewn up? This will probably be the only year the loophole still exists so it would seem to me MSU should be getting it while the getting is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
A kid that would probably bust his butt to show bama they screwed up then yeah. Who knows if he's that kid thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
I sort of said it above, but I don't have a problem if we're a back up plan. Lots of people have to move on to a plan b in life and when they do they fully commit to it without sitting around moping about the plan a that didn't work out. But if he is holding out for any offer that he thinks is more prestigious, I'm guessing he's not ever going to be satisfied with playing at State. It kind of makes me question what he's looking for; why would you not want to go to the best conference and get a chance to prove the teams that snubbed you that they screwed up. I woudl not want to hold a spot to be a last resort; if he was good enough for that he'd get a scholarship from a 'big name' program. If we have a scholarship left over on signing day and just don't have anybody on our board we think merits a scholarship, sure, use it on him, but that would be very disappointing considering we aren't signing a full class to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
Depends on the situation and the talent. With this being a position of need with plenty of upside with the player, then yes. If its a Marlon Humphrey you still take him even if its not a position of need. If its a just someone who would only add depth and may never start then no, you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRef
We don't need to move on until he moves on. We have recruited (or will) all we can get this season. It's not like we have others waiting in the wings. We need to wait him out as long as it takes. We will get Harris and everything else is simply gravy.
IF he doesn't sign tomorrow...what are the rules on re-recruiting him for lack of a better word........What can and cant be done by us or another school?
see "Brown, Titus".Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We were the backup plan for a lot of good players over the years. That's not an issue to me at all.
I WANTED to go to Stanford, but settled for MSU. Tough shit for me, I guess.