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I really hope Josh Robinson doesn't get down after the amount of carries perk had over him this year, and instead embraces that he and Dak could be the best backfield in the damn country next season. I loved seeing this tweet from him, because I was worried he wasn't real happy with the lack of carries.
Mullen needs to feed this son of a gun the rock next year.
At least on the sideline, Robinson seems like one of our happiest players.
I think he knows that he is the running back next year. He just needs to work on catching the ball out of the backfield a little bit and he will be even more awesome.
He will be a beast next year. He reminds me so much of a little Anthony Dixon. From his running style, to his personality. He brings a swagger to our offense. I can't wait to see him get the bulk of the carries
Why would he be upset over being the #2 back behind a senior who is going to be drafted in the NFL Draft? I know his YPC is better, and most of us agree that we would rather he be the every-down back instead of Perkins this year (I am among those), but I don't think the players look at things like fans.
He knows his time is coming. He's been doing what the coach asked him to do, and I'm sure he's happy.
Would love to see him and Shump in some two back sets. With them and dak in the backfield who would you key on as the defense? Especially when you have Lewis, Wilson, and the others at receiver.
Because he was better. I think the players and the fans know that.
If there is one thing I hope Mullen changes as he matures as a hc is this personnel thing.
Probably the same reason we were. Not saying he was pissed, but judging by tweets and hearsay, I had a feeling he might be a little upset. Probably felt he could be helping the team more if he could get some opportunities. It appears he's good now so it's a moot point. You are quite the argumentative one lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
AgreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
Sorry, I don't mean to be a dick or anything. I just don't like when fans make assumptions and then evaluate things on top of their assumptions.
Like with people assuming that because Mullen didn't scream at everyone on the sidelines that he had lost his fire...and then once that's said enough it is considered fact when it reality it is still simply assumption.
So I look at this similarly. We assume Josh Robinson views the situation as we do, and then we worry that he's going to get down about it or transfer (I saw someone mention this in a thread on this site as a fear) when in reality, there's a decent chance he never once thought, 'I'm better than Perkins, I should be the man'.
Dont know about Perk getting drafter, but I think he will get a free agent shot somewhere. I'm pretty sure JRob knows what went on this year with the carries. Hopefully he and Shump push each other into one of best backfield tandems in SEC and nation. With Dak they can be a mean hard hitting triple threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Yet, you are making assumptions and completely putting words in people's mouth. I didn't say Mullen lost his fire "because he wasn't yelling enough", and I didn't say Josh ONLY would be possibly down because he feels the same way we do...If you had seen his twitter in the last month or so, you would have seen that he seemed down a lot. Add to that the thread on here from a so called "friend" of his, AND the fact that he is getting slighted on carries, and I felt that he could "POSSIBLY" be a "LITTLE" down. See how much you exaggerated what I said?Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Just making conversation and discussion. Not jumping out and saying, "glad Josh tweeted this because he was obviously pissed as shit about lack of carries since we all are".
Just sayin
And as for Mullen, I based none of my thoughts on Mullen on his "yelling on the sidelines". I judged what I called "appeared a little bit complacent" on him saying shit like "We're glad to be 3-3" and his lack of nuts in the second half of games early in the Season. And I had a very good point. It was far more than "he isn't yelling enough, so he lost his fire". Some might have said stupid shit like that, but not me.
Just want to clear that up for those that may think I said things I didn't based on your post.
Carry on
I like what we did in the Liberty Bowl with Shumpert as a FB when he scored his TD. I'm not advocating moving Shumpert to FB full time, but if we have two backs that are equally competent in carrying the ball, catching the ball out of the backfield and blocking- it doesn't get much better than that. Defenses won't be able to key in on who is getting the ball, who is blocking, and etc.
Fair enough. I wasn't referring to you specifically when talking about Mullen's sideline demeanor; that was just another example of one of my pet peeves. I'm the type who will try to avoid reading too much into a situation that I know nothing about, sometimes to a fault; so I will usually butt heads some with those who do the opposite.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I agree. I loved it. I would hate to be a D-Coordinator facing Dak, Josh, and Ashton in the backfield...DeRunnya and Jameon at WR, and Malcolm and/or Samuel at TE. #WeaponsQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Agreed, and the diamond formation is perfect for this. You can hand it off to any of them, or throw it to any of them, or have any of them block, on any one play. So for a team with several talented RBs, it makes a lot of sense. With Robinson, Shumpert, and Williams/Griffin next year, not to mention Dak, I expect to see a lot of the diamond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It's all good. I never take anything personal...plus I've followed your posts for years and like most of em. We're alike in that we will state our views strongly. I like it. Good BulldogQuote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I'd throw in some Aeries Williams to the diamond as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Under center at the goal line! I liked it too bc I just think the qb sneak is effective since the rules allow the fullback to push the qb forward there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Getting Shumpert in the end zone was was smart in my opinion.
Yeah, he's the Williams I was referring to, not Damian; should have made that more clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Robinson knows he's going to be a huge part of the 2014 offense. A lot of teams are going to get tired of tackling Josh, Dak, and Shump. What a load!
I hope every player on our roster thinks they could be helping the team and wants more reps. In their head they know they gotta bust their ass and wait their turn, but in their heart I hope they think they are good enough to help with more reps.
I really don't have much of a problem with the way Mullen has handled most personnel issues. At times, we could say a few of the players drawing the PT were naturally less "talented" than the some of the guys on the bench. However, talent only tells part of the story. Our staff puts a premium on practicing/training hard, leadership, and doing things the right way. That sounds cliche, but it the best course of action for a historically underperforming and unrespected program. That approach has laid a strong foundation upon which we can build a program with depth an little to no attrition. During these past few seasons it has been easy to feel impatient, but we are now starting to see the fruits of developing a team of team first hardworking guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
[QUOTE=Bully Dee Williams;113979]n practicing/training hard, leadership, and doing things the right way.
You just described Robinson.
I don't understand the he is better crowd.
A) do you honestly think the entire coaching staff would torpedo their careers by keeping the best player on the sideline?
If you say yes there is no reason to continue this thread.
B) it doesn't matter how many games you watch on TV or how many posts you make on an anonymous internet message board, you will never have all of the information required to label one player better than the other.
If you disagree with B then please posts your game performance charts with made/missed assignments of every play along side of your practice notes and analysis.
[QUOTE=Schultzy;114009]No doubt. Josh is a good kid, but he had some growing up that he did this year. He keeps working hard on and off the field, then he will continue to have major opportunities. I love the kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bully Dee Williams
so you're not a "star" guy I presume?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
I think JRob is more talented. "Better" is a different story and you're right, only the coaches know that. JRob is more talented though.
A) I don't think the coaches are intentionally not playing who they think is worse. I do think that sometimes they may misjudge what some of our players can do and put them in positions that aren't as advantageous to them or the team. Perkins was not a bad player. But he's simply not an every down, run it 25 times between the tackles kind of guy. We should have used him at least twice as much in the passing game than we did. If we had used Robinson about twice as much as we did, our offense would have been even better than it was.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
B) I'd like to see your performance chart first. Anonymous posters calling out other posters for being anonymous is one of the most ironic things in the history of the Internet. Robinson had the key block on Damian's OT TD run over Arkansas.
Robinson- 78 carries, 459 yards, 5.9 AVG 3 TD's. 12 Receptions, 115 yards receiving, 0 TD's
Perkins- 137 carries, 542 yards, 4.0 AVG, 2 TD's. 27 Reception, 248 yards receiving, 3 TD's
Robinson had almost as many yards as Robinson and more rushing TD's with almost half as many carries. He averaged almost 2 yards per carry more. On top of that, he's almost as proficient as a receiver as Perkins is based on the stats as well.
point blank...period!
Boom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Come on, DogFather, you're better than that "Show me your experience" horse shit. Robinson is clearly the better every down back. Perkins is great catching passes out of the backfield and running draws in long yardage situations.
[QUOTE=CadaverDawg;114238]Boom.
Come on, DogFather, you're better than that "Show me your experience" horse shit. Robinson is clearly the better every down back. Perkins is great catching passes out of the backfield and running draws in long yardage situations.[/QUOTE
Ha, right on it is pretty obvious. hell, Stevie Wonder can see that.
Well said.
You missed my point.
Where is the stats on missed assignments. You have to judge by the net contribution.
My point is still being missed.
How many times did the RB - no matter the name - miss a blocking assignment or not make the correct read.
You not me nor anyone outside the coaching staff can make those judgements.
Making blanket judgements without all of the facts is irresponsible.
What it comes down to which nobody is going to admit is a blatant mistrust of the coaching staff.
A.
Let's not act like they haven't made mistakes with personnel in the past:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
1) Playing Kaleb Eulls at DE for 2 years. Not giving Preston Smith more reps in 2012.
2) Never giving Darius Slay the opportunity to return kicks even though he was a Juco AA KR. Instead, we went with Ladarius Perkins who was ineffective.
3) Playing Broomfield over Slay at corner.
4) Dak-Gator Bowl and really the Ok State game.
Even Paul Jones has admitted the staff sometimes sticks with the older players too long.
So, if Robinson screws up a blocking assignment or makes a bad read twice a game, what is that? 10-15 yards lost?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
Based on rushing averages, he makes up that difference in getting about 8 additional carries. In 10-15 additional carries, that is still a pretty significant net gain. Meaning he's still the better option.
I'll rerun my numbers later on the two against top 30 rush defense teams. The difference is STAGGERING.
Bingo...this is spot on! The fact of the matter is that while Robinson is better carrying the football than Perk, he hasn't been as good at most everything else that's required of a RB in this offense. If you don't believe that then go ask a Coach. I promise you this Coaching Staff realizes that this isn't rec league soccer...they're trying to win games.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
How many times did Dak or Tyler get sacked because of Josh missing a blocking assignment? We run a good bit of the time- and we run the option a lot of the time, which means that our running back is either getting the ball from the QB or basically is a decoy to get the ball. Of course, it's hard to miss assignments when you're not playing in the game. With people like Coach34 and Coach57 on here, IF Robinson was missing a lot of assignments- they would have brought it up by now. Coach57 goes to some practices as well as the games.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDogFather
I provided stats that showed very clearly that Robinson is the better of the two. You can throw out "assignments" all you want- but those stats reflect within the context of our offense what a running back is EXPECTED to do- hence their assignment. The running back is a skill position- other than the QB, they are expected to handle the ball on most plays. And even on most pass plays, they go out and run a pass route. They are not primary blockers. When Robinson has the ball in his hand, he is a superior player than Perkins.
And you're wrong in your conclusion- what you are saying is that there is some mystical thing about football that only the coaches understand that the common man doesn't and can't understand, so we need to not talk about it and eat our popcorn. All you're really proving is that you are self-righteous and don't know a lot about what a running back does. Dan should be called out on this. Should he be fired over it? No. But it is something that limits our offense.
So, you're saying that they're telling our RB's to fall down after two yards? Because that and maybe catching the ball out of the backfield was the only thing that Perkins did better than Robinson.Quote:
Originally Posted by K9 Avenger
Here are their numbers against top 40 rush defenses:
2013
Alabama - JRob 6 for 17, Perk 10 for 25
LSU - JRob 6 for 40, Perk 10 for 81
OK State - JRob 8 for 48, Perk 16 for 50
2012
Alabama - JRob 1 for 15, Perk 15 for 38
LSU - JRob 5 for 17, Perk DNP
Arkansas - JRob 4 for 26, Perk 17 for 91
Northwestern - JRob 7 for 91, Perk 19 for 84
Ole Miss - JRob DNP, Perk 16 for 45
Texas A&M - JRob 4 for 20, Perk 13 for 42
Totals vs Good Run Defenses:
JRob 41 for 274 - AVG of 6.68
Perk: 116 for 456 - AVG of 3.93
JRob is SEVENTY PERCENT more productive per carry. That's totally insane.