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I just went back and looked at our classes dating back to 2009 and that class was amazing. I don't know that we can ever produce a class like this again...
Chad Bumphis
Fletcher Cox
Josh Boyd
Tyler Russell
Chris Smith
Cam Lawrence
Ladarious Perkins
Deontae Skinner
Nickoe Whitley
Gabe Jackson
Baker Swedenburg
Pernell Mcphee
Chris White
Johnthon Banks
Leon Berry
Darius Slay
It's the standard for what we should try and achieve. It was a strong year in MS and we dominated the state. We also signed 5 or 6 quality Jucos. Croom did a heck of job with that class.
Not if you're a star watcher. Our average player rank according to 247 was 83.75. 2013 was 85.97 so according to average player rank last year is the best year under Mullen. Class size makes a big difference in class rank. However, if you look at the production, development, and where they are today it's hard to argue.
Paul has become much more generous with his star rankings since 2009. The days of an MSU commit being a 2 star are all but extinct on his site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catdawg
This is such a crock of shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
13 of 27 members of that class committed to Mullen in the final 2 months.
Since 24/7 existed in 2009 and all...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Well there you go. You just proved the guys post inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Agreed, but I don't think some of those would have panned out as well under Croom as they did under Mullen. Bumphis and probably a couple others may have never signed if Mullen hadn't been hired.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Either way, in that class, looks like you got 8 guys that made at least an NFL practice roster, 1 that will be a 1st-2nd round pick (Jackson), and a few others that may get a shot at a late round pick or free-agent deal (Skinner, Russell, Perkins, Whitley). Impressive.
No argument there.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubswillwinitonedaydawg
Yeah, but those 13 were:Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Brandon Heavens
Mardrecas Hood
Ricco Sanders
BIlly Hamilton
Darius Slay
Ladarius Perkins
Dennis Thames
Chad Bumphis
Pernell McPhee (committed to Croom in July)
Johnathan McKenzie
Leon Berry
Sean Brauchle
Maurice Langston
Really, just Perkins, Bumphis, getting McPhee to recommit and placing Slay. Not bad in a coach's first recruiting class, but 9 of those 13 had little to absolutely no impact at MSU.
Look, Croom was a disaster, no one can argue that point, but the best thing he did while at MSU was beating Bama in Starkville (one of my favorite memories) and leaving Mullen the following 14 recruits:
Heath Hutchins
Montrell Conner
Gabe Jackson
Chris White
William Shumpert
Deontae Skinner
Josh Boyd
Nickoe Whitley
FLetcher Cox
Johnthan Banks
Chris SMith
Tyler Russell
Cameron Lawrence
Sam Watts
Eight of those 14 commits have played or will play in the NFL and that is not counting Russell who I think fits a pro style offense way, way better than what we run.
At the end of the day, who gives a shit, this was like 5 years ago.
Damn, Mullen watered down the class. He got Perkins and that's it. People like to give him credit for Bumphis, but Bumphis was going to MSU. He wanted to stay close to home and play with Tyler Russell.
Forgot about Montrell Conner. Remembered him leaving and never did hear anything else. Here's what ESPN had on a Signing Day Booms and Busts:
Biggest disappointment: RB Montrell Conner (Monroe, La.)
Conner had offers from USC, Oklahoma, Georgia and Tennessee and was ranked as the No. 7 running back prospect in the country by ESPN. He redshirted his first season and left the program in August of that next year. He attended junior college in 2010 and then signed with Troy.
I didn't realized his offer list was that impressive. He played at Co-Lin and I don't think he ever played a down at Troy.
u right on that mullen does not get enough props for what he did to keep that class going mullen did good and has done well in every class on finding good platers
Could you possibly attempt to skew any harder to try to make what point?Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
It's ****ing stupid to give Croom full credit for a class that half of the total number -- and 7-8 MAJOR contributors(contrary to your initial bullshit analysis) -- committed to Mullen. That was my damn point. Skew away.
Good thing Darius Slay and Pernell McPhee don't count.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Keep a-spinning.
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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
BS. Bumphis wasn't going anywhere near Starkville before Mullen came.
Pernell McPhee committed to Croom. Croom did all the leg work. UGA and UF came in late and Mullen's staff held on, but Croom did almost all of the recruiting. It's always interesting to me how people go full-retard when it comes to recruiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
I'm sure those long looks in the mirror intrigue the hell out of you...Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Sites like Scout, Rivals and 247 will almost never hand out two star commits to teams that have more than a 100 subscribers. Go look at commit lists for teams with 100 subscribers - they just don't want to put up with the flack they get from the people that pay them money. Personally, I look at the times other coaches visit our commits. That tells me all I need to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Also, trying to discern who is the better 3 star commit is just ridiculous for a scouting service to do. That is where our staff has excelled and other staffs are getting left behind.
Conner is like one of those Ole Miss 4 stars that they just pull out of nowhere that make no sense. You know something is 'off' with the offer list and the ranking, but you ignore it because you 'just got a 4 starzzz!!11'.
Whoa... you made the point that 13 of the 27 members of that class committed to Mullen. I was pointing out those 13 commits weren't the backbone of that class - any attempt to say otherwise is just Bear level spin.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
Who is giving Croom full credit for a class? Im not.
Who out of the 13 I listed were major contributors? Bumphis, McPhee, Perkins and Slay all played major roles, even if you count McPhee as a Mullen commit even though he committed to Croom, and Slay who didn't show up until 2011.
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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Good try but the post isn't inaccurate. How else would I get that number if not from 247? The only reason that class was ranked 19th is because they signed 32 players.
Yes, Conner, Templeton Hardy, James Maiden and Damien Robinson fall under that category for us. The Ole Miss list is long, but distinguished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goat Holder
People need to get off the damn Croom's players BS. That is such a Bear line. Croom had put together a pretty good class but had he been retained there is no way to say that he'd have kept it all together. Sometimes I think people need a refresher of the Croom years every once in a while to remind themselves of just how pathetic we were.
Never, not once did MSU have an offense rated above 100th out of 119 teams!
That is complete BS. Bumphis wasn't even mentioning MSU before Mullen showed up. Mullen convinced him he was going to be the next Percy Harvin.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
B/C we didn't even have a team site on 247 in '09. Do you really think Paul would allow us to have 4 unranked players now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Catdawg
This post is so inaccurate, it's funny. I actually live in Tupelo and know Chad. I agree with your earlier post though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Whether we had a team site or not the ranking and ratings are still there. The 2009 class was ranked 19th so I guess that can't be right either.
I love when posters use the "Im friends with this recruit, so I actually know" card.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Well, Im best friends with Chad - and he told me what I put in my post. So take that.
Bumphis told numerous people and was even quoted in the paper as saying he wouldnt have gone to State had Croom been retainedQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
At least those other 3 are from MS and understandable why we would get them. Conner is the out-of-state guy that to me, compares to all the GA, FL or LA kids that Ole Miss seemingly takes that have a long but questionable offer list.
And so is my.......Top Gun n shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Yeah but this guy is from Tupelo, so he really knows the da truth. Screw what Chad actually said - he knows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Montrell Conner had all those major offers as a line backer... We were the only major school to offer him as a running back... In hindsight he would have probably been better at linebacker
Dan Mullen is the head coach that signed every single one of those players. Period. End of story.
Croom recruited a lot of them, but he didn't sign a single one of them. They all signed to play for Dan Mullen. Byrne desires as much, if not more, credit than Croom for that class IMO.
Does HoopsDawg go to Bumphis' gym and is his spotter sometimes?**
No he didn't. He said he signed with MSU b/c of Mullen. Of course he's going to say that. Croom recruited those guys for 18 months. Mullen recruited them for 3 weeks. Mullen didn't know a single commit on our list except for Bumphis. But if you guys want to give Mullen credit for that class, go to town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Back to the original post, yes that class was the benchmark for MSU.
Yes, I give Mullen credit for the class because they ****ing signed the sheet of paper when he, not Croom, was the head coach. It doesn't matter who previously talked to them in their lives.
Don't you know -- Houston Nutt gets credit for our 2012 class -- because had he not sucked and stopped recruiting altogether, those kids wouldn't have come to MSU**Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
hahaha, sure thing bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by hacker
In 5 years as coach, how many "Croom players" did Sylvester put into the NFL?Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg