State vs Arkansas and no thread. Apathy has officially set in.
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State vs Arkansas and no thread. Apathy has officially set in.
We are getting our a$$ handed to us by a freshman on Ark.’s team. This is not fun. Yet another game at home we are getting shown how to play the game.
If we aren?t going to be a defensive-minded team (coach is known for tough defense), then we need a coach that is actually known for offense.
Yes
But he gets another year cuz we po', nobody wants our j-o-b, and we traila' park. Mittitipy Tate. *****
Jans is a fraud. Overrated mid-major coach from NM who lived on JC players and coached "D". He does not fit in today's game as he can't coach offense (very few of today's players want to be a part of his "system"), and can't evaluate the portal. But he is the 16th highest paid college MBB HC and under contract to make over $5 million per year, in a couple of years, I have read. We must have idiots negotiating our contract deals.
Early in the first half, we were on the road, and the only radio broadcast we could find was the Hog network. These were some observations made early in the game by their announcers:
1. Josh Hubbard is only 5'9" to 5'10" and can't play defense on other SEC guards.
2. Hubbard, Magee, and Epps are "too little" for an SEC backcourt together.
3. Jans no longer has the talent to play his style of defense.
4. Our #9 player would be their #2 player talent-wise.
We then arrived home to watch the remainder of another 20 point loss on our home court.
This is embarrassing.
Note: I will admit that I got my desired school colors: maroon uniforms with white numbers. That being said, it doesn't matter what colors this team wears. They can't even compete recently, much less get even a homecourt win.
Jans should just scrap the D philosophy and let them play their offensive old fashioned fast break up tempo O/ He just can't see that the kids are what we call in the army Coping a DGAS attitude/ Jans has to learn the you go to war with what you got not what you wish you had.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Have we ever beaten Calipari? I wouldn't expect it to start now that he's at Arkansas.
I know he's never lost in the Hump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Our roster construction was mind numbingly bad. We need a completely new starting 5 next year. And cant imagine our large donors having confidence that Jans can find them.
Who are his top 3 portal pickups? Its a bad list.
Get rid of this bum. I don’t care about three 1 and done tourney appearances
You think apathy is bad now. Give Jans and his entire staff another year and women?s golf will outdraw men?s basketball!
On a positive note, we paid $1.6 million less than OM for the exact same 11-12 (3-7) $hitshow. *****
And they have a top 5 coach. This era will have crap seasons out of no where. Bet they aren't dumb enough to fire a good coach after one season.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
And so a sweet 16 appearance would be a reasonable expectation once every 4 years for a top 20 paid coach. Our fanbase hasn't been able to enjoy waking up on a Saturday in March with hope still alive as one of 32 teams still standing since a Bush was president.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yet we pay like we are a top tier program. Hell Jans salary is right their with Painter from Purdue. If we're paying in Purdue level. Why are we getting IUPUI level results?
I say save the money and dump it into football. Hire Rick ray back. Who gives a shit at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Yeah, let's take it from a guy with a track record and give it to a guy with 1 sec win in 2 seasonsQuote:
Originally Posted by RezDog7
So thats the bar now? Make the NCAA Tourney every season or you're fired?Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
We gave Jans too big of a contract for winning with another guys players. Jans has been awful in the portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Fire him! Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
I think most the country realizes Jans has been good up until this season. I'm sure top candidates will be beating down out door begging for this job after we fire him for only making the tourney 3/4. I mean shit... we made the final 4 30 years ago
If you're getting paid top 20 money then it's reasonable to think you have a +/- around R64. R32 appearance, +1. Miss tourney, -1. After 3 seasons if you're negative as a coach then it seems fair to fire you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Mississippi State is not a top 100 job. It's a top 40 job with top 20 pay and at worst a top 50 payroll. No years beating expectations and seems to have regressed talent he does bring in year over year.
He's a horrible recruiter and he's hard to play for. That's it in a nutshell and that's not a recipe for winning in this league.
Is he the reason for our success or is the fact that we're paying players being a bigger needle mover. Jans is getting credit for NIL / portal taking power and consolidating it with the power conferences. Do we think there are 20 other coaches in America that can do what Jans has done in 4 years here? If so - go pay for one of them cause Jans is making more than some of em.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You actually think there are only 21 coaches we can't get? We pay him bc we realize he has a shit job, and he's done a good jobQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
Weird reaction. I didn?t say anything about firing him. But I do think we need a basketball GM.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
We paid him bc our AD overreacted to a couple of open jobs like A&M. You cant do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Apologies then. Jans is certainly not perfect, but he's been good here overall. Perhaps he could use help in evaluation, and he could certainly use someone telling him that spending money on players 11-15 is idiotic. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Somewhat agree. If we lost him to an sec team bc of money, our AD woulda been ripped thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
At the time, this board was saying pay him whatever he wants. That era is gone unless it?s someone like Calipari.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Top 5 coach??!!!?? LOL!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And the paid program apologist weighs in to earn his bimonthly check.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We are in no way a Top 40 job. Thats hilarious. Just because we have money to pay a coach doesnt mean this program can achieve big things. State is a Top 75 job. It's easier to win at VCU than State. You wont make the same money- but you can win there easier and get a bigger job when you move on. I thought Buzz was an idiot for leaving A&M for Maryland because of history. Buzz is finding out what a dumb ****ing move he madeQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
I just need some sensible feedback on how firing the guy that has done a great job at State would be a smart thing to doQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
I didn't say give it to Lebby. And you can have those 3 straight embarrassing losses in the tournament. So much fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The same coaches that will be beating down our door when we fire Lebby.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Beard is outstanding. The only reason he isn't winning big time at Texas is he's a moronQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwardDrayton
You're the one spouting jimmies and joes and wu tang clan cash rules everything around me cream get the money dolla dolla bills yall. But when we have two sports where we are doing such a thing we're firing one and keeping the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Baseball is a top 5 job with top 5 pay and a top 5 payroll. Reasonable for Lemo to have expectations be making it to top 8 as a baseline. Y1 he traded even. Y2 scrapped. Y3 he got +3 (F4, F2, Champ). Y4 he got -1. Y5 he got -1. Y6 he got -1. Y7 he was headed for -1. We almost turned it around early enough by firing him that the ship got back to where it was. But overall he was about to be negative on the expectation scale after Y3.
VCU is not a better job than State. Maybe 10 years ago. You could argue the same 5 years ago. Now? Not a chance. The gap in MBB is massively growing. State pays 3 times as much for our HC as VCU does. We are one of the "bigger job(s)" you can move onto. Your logic is like saying that New Mexico State is a better job than ours because it's easier to win at. Jans beat friggin UConn while at NMSU in the tourney.
Some of you would be stunned to know what we are paying these players from the tallest to the shortest. From what I have been told, $ was not the issue; evaluation in this latest portal class was, and our offensively challenged HC since the day he stepped on our campus. Our 7' center has gone from averaging 16.5 or so from his last stop to being unable to even catch a pass to be about a 5.0 ppg guy for us. Our tall European guy took almost half the year to get his first dunk. Our three shooting guards could almost qualify for a 6-foot-and-under league, and this list goes on. This bunch gets paid big $ whether they win, (very seldom this year) or show little effort in another embarrassing home loss. JMO.
Agree, he's an old school coach in a time where players have.all the power because they are highly paid guys focused on themselves rather than the team and can jump ship on you at any time. Compare our style to that of Bama and it's easy to see where a player wanting to show out would prefer to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saltydog
Also, our roster construction this year was just stupid. I mean we pretty much all questioned why you would bring in another under 6 foot guard to pair with Hubbard? No logic to that when our 3 point defense was already pathetic. Come on Jans, use your brain.